Anybody have Scriptures that will help me refute the beliefs of JWs and Mormons? I'm a Trinitarian and I already have a lot, but the more the merrier.
2007-11-06 03:34:32 · 22 answers · asked by Defender of Freedom 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
No.
The shaky foundations of trinitarianism rest on dubious misapplications of perhaps ten bible verses. By contrast, entire passages and important bible concepts literally require Jesus the Son to be a separate person from God the Father. Who created Jesus? To whom did Jesus pray? Who resurrected Jesus? At whose right hand does Jesus sit?
Really, it is the bible rather than any human tradition, catechism, or post-biblical writing which can reveal the truth about Jesus Christ.
Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians; they teach that Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God. What does the bible teach about Jesus?
Jehovah's Witnesses understand the bible to teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!
Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.
(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation
(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.
(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth
(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak
(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am
(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father
(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!
Learn more!
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_05.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/
http://watchtower.org/e/20020515/
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_03.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/index.htm?article=article_04.htm
2007-11-06 06:11:33 · answer #1 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You see they also have their scriptures that are quite convincing as well.
Whenever a Trinitarian and a non-Trinitarian battle it's basically them throwing scriptures at each other hoping to cancel the refuting scripture out.
The one thing the non-Trinitarians have in their corner though is more scriptures to support their argument. Including direct quotes from Jesus in the gospels saying he is NOT God and refusing the offers of worship from people. Such as the one in Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18
"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."
and another direct quote from Jesus:
John 14:28
My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
If you want to refute that, you would have to get a scripture where Jesus himself says he IS Almighty God and all must worship him as God.
2007-11-06 03:41:26 · answer #2 · answered by pixie_pagan 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
There are no scriptures that support this, while there are multiple ones that support three separate beings in the Godhead. For example, when Jesus was baptized, a voice came from Heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." And the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. Recorded instance of THREE separate personages.
2007-11-06 05:22:31 · answer #3 · answered by Kerry 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Hm...how are you gonna refute our non-trinitarian beliefs with the bible when the trinity is not biblical?
Why don't you find some Bible verses that prove the trinity, and I'll find ones that disprove it. I bet i win, and decimate your arguments by showing you how out of context they are taken.
Silly fundies. Tricks are for kids. And prostitutes.
2007-11-06 05:21:56 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
Colossians 2:9 states it all so well... "For in him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Also check out
Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20
2007-11-06 03:40:26 · answer #5 · answered by ۞ JønaŦhan ۞ 7 · 5⤊ 1⤋
There is nothing you can show me from the Bible that would refute what I believe. In fact, one of the reasons I joined the LDS church is because I find it to be the most Biblical church.
2007-11-08 09:52:57 · answer #6 · answered by mormon_4_jesus 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
How about when Jesus was praying to His Father in the garden of Gethsemane. Oh wait that wouldn't work. How about when Jesus was talking to His Father when He was on the cross. Wait that won't work either. Maybe that's because God, Christ and the Holy Ghost make up the Godhead. Three Separate personages , but all one in purpose. Much like Christ was praying that His apostles would be one as He and the Father are one.
2007-11-06 03:42:17 · answer #7 · answered by plastik punk -Bottom Contributor 6 · 10⤊ 1⤋
JWs and Mormons do not believe in Biblical Jesus. They also have changed the bible truth. Look at the answers on questions I have starred.
Buy Ron Rhodes' books " Reasoning from the Scriptures " They are great.
2007-11-06 04:55:55 · answer #8 · answered by BaC Helen 7 · 0⤊ 4⤋
Can you prove the Trinity with the Bible or merely allude to it while others can prove the opposite with the same verses?
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2007-11-06 09:06:31 · answer #9 · answered by Dionysus 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That's begging the question. You can't say "MY religious writings are true, and YOURS are false!" since they can easily say the same things and you're stuck.
By the way, the word "Trinity" is NOT in the Bible! And the "Old" Testament says "God is One", not Three-in-One, which is pagan and an absurdity.
2007-11-06 03:38:22 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 0⤋