God is too great to be created?

Question

Theists claim that...
The universe is TOO GREAT to not be created.

Then they say....
God is TOO GREAT to be created.

Make up your minds! How is God exempt from the first claim? If EVERYTHING must be created, then how can you theists be so arrogant and hypocritical as to re-define "everything" to fit your needs so God can oh-so-nicely not be under it. So everything COMPLICATED needs a designer? Yet the designer is the MOST COMPLICATED thing *ever* and it doesn't need a designer?

Falling into your own traps theists. And you wonder why atheists don't just "have faith". Well, what I just said may have something to do with it.

Theists, don't reiterate what I said. EXPLAIN how these two claims, at the same time, can logically be true. How and why can the most complicated thing ever not have a designer, yet everything else that is (less) complicated does need a designer?

Answer 1

Multiple Gods and Religious Traditions:
It is difficult to credit any one religion as being True or any one god as being True when there have been so many throughout human history. None appears to have any greater claim to being more credible or reliable than any other. Why Christianity and not Judaism? Why Islam and not Hinduism? Why monotheism and not polytheism? Every position has had its defenders, all as ardent as those in other traditions. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. Too Many Gods...
Contradictory Characteristics in Gods:
Theists often claim that their gods are perfect beings; they describe gods, however, in contradictory and incoherent ways. Numerous characteristics are attributed to their gods, some of which are impossible and some combinations of which are impossible. As described, it's unlikely or impossible for these gods to exist. This doesn't mean that no god could possibly exist, just that the ones theists claim to believe in don't. Contradictory Definitions of Gods...
Religion is Self-Contradictory:
No religion is perfectly consistent when it comes to doctrines, ideas, and history. Every ideology, philosophy, and cultural tradition has inconsistencies and contradictions, so this shouldn't be surprising — but other ideologies and traditions aren't alleged to be divinely created or divinely sanctioned systems for following the wishes of a god. The state of religion in the world today is more consistent with the premise that they are man-made institutions. Contradictory Religions...
Gods Are Too Similar to Believers:
A few cultures, like ancient Greece, have postulated gods which appear to be as natural as human beings, but in general gods are supernatural. This means that they are fundamentally different from human beings or anything on earth. Despite this, however, theists consistently describe their gods in ways that make the supernatural appear almost mundane. Gods share so many characteristics with humans that it has been argued that gods were made in the image of man. Gods Created in the Image of Man...
Gods Just Don't Matter:
Theism means believing in the existence of at least one god, not that one necessarily cares much about any gods. In practice, though, theists typically place a great deal of importance on their god and insist that it and what it wants are the most important things a person can be concerned with. Depending upon the nature of a god, however, this isn't necessarily true. It's not obvious that the existence or desires of gods should matter to us. God Doesn't Matter...
Gods and Believers Behave Immorally:
In most religions, gods are supposed to be the source of all morality. For most believers, their religion represents an institution for promoting perfect morality. In reality, though, religions are responsible for widespread immorality and gods have characteristics or histories which make them worse than the most vile human serial killer. No one would tolerate such behavior on the part of a person, but when with a god it all becomes laudable — even an example to follow. Gods Behave Immorally...
Evil in the World:
Closely associated with taking action that should be considered immoral is the fact that there is so much evil in the world today. If there are any gods, why don't they act to eliminate it? The absence of substantive action against evil would be consistent with the existence of evil or at least indifferent gods, which is not impossible, but few people believe in such gods. Most claim that their gods are loving and powerful; the suffering on Earth makes their existence implausible. Evil & Suffering vs. Gods...
Faith is Unreliable:
A common characteristic of both theism and religion is their reliance on faith: belief in the existence of god and in the truth of religious doctrines is neither founded upon nor defended by logic, reason, evidence, or science. Instead, people are supposed to have faith — a position they wouldn’t consciously adopt with just about any other issue. Faith, though, is an unreliable guide to reality or means for acquiring knowledge. You Can't Rely on Faith...
Life is Material, not Supernatural:
Most religions say that life is much more than the flesh and matter we see around us. In addition, there is supposed to be some sort of spiritual or supernatural realm behind it all and that our "true selves" is spiritual, not material. All evidence, though, points to life being a purely natural phenomenon. All evidence indicates that who we really are — our selves — is material and dependent upon the workings of the brain. If this is so, religious and theistic doctrines are wrong. Life is Matter...
There is No Good Reason to Bother Believing:
Perhaps the most basic reason for not believing in any gods is the absence of good reasons for doing so. The above are decent reasons for not believing and for questioning — and eventually leaving — whatever theistic and religious beliefs a person might have had in the past. Once a person gets beyond the bias in favor of belief, though, they may realize something critical: the burden of support lies with those claiming that belief is rational and/or necessary. Believers fail to meet this burden, though, and thus fail to provide good reasons to accept their claims. No Good Reason to Believe...

Perhaps I've said enough :)

Answer 2

We know now that the universe could easily have come into existence through natural means without resorting to any kind of fantastical supernatural entity to make it happen. God is the central piece of the ridiculously delusional thinking that characterizes the religious.

You might consider reading Christopher Hitchens' book, "God Is NOT Great." It's one of the best books in the last few years on the fallacy of religion.

Answer 3

God is too great to exist. Nature designs all the complicated things we dont, including us. The end.
All the energy spent on trying to answer the great "why" question, my why question is why does there have to be a reason?

Answer 4

I am a Christian and I don't know where God came from. I will have to have faith and understand that I don't understand. I don't have all of the answers. I wish I did. It's great that you spend so much time thinking about God. (I'm not being condescending). God can take your questions. It's ok to question and explore and study. Never go to a church that discourages you from research.

Answer 5

You have it wrong!!!!

I am a theist and I say that God created the Universe.

Get your fact strait.

I am a Christian and God made the whole universe and world. Read Genesis the first 3 chapters.

This is what Christians believe.

Your question is one of Satan's lies.

Answer 6

God is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He has no beginning and He has no end.

Your finite mind can not perceive the infinite.

Answer 7

According to my faith, the universe created the gods, not the other way around.

Answer 8

god was the designer of the universe so i believe that he is greater than it. and the second statements right god is to great to be created he doesnt have a designer.

Answer 9

God is a spirit and He is not bound to the physical laws that he initiated and created and set in place to allow our physical universe to exist in.

Answer 10

There is an ultimate supreme being - only from a limited human point of view do you make an argument - it doesn't hold up in light of faith.