Jesus is God, the son of God, preeminent and eternal.?

Question

Where is it that the Apostle Paul purportedly says Jesus is NOT God? Paul knew whom he had seen on the road to Damascus - the living God, God in the flesh, the Christ, Jesus.

Yes yes many times he says he is the son of God, the son of man, but he IS God. He says before Abraham was I AM - the only I am was GOD. Jesus came to earth in a fleshly body but was the representation and full embodiment of GOD. The trinity is not some made up delusion - it is a clear conclusion from NT scripture.

The only point of the Paul reference was to a question I read earlier where someone claimed Paul says Jesus is not God.

The point is - not everyone WILL believe because not everyone will be called by God to believe on his son. But as both are eternal, Christ is God. I don't have to explain it to know it is true.

Some on Y!A are SO hateful!

This was not an insult of the Trinity, in which I wholly believe. There were some on here trashing Jesus' deity. Yes God the Father, the son and Holy Spirit are all equally God. My contention was only that Jesus, the son is as much God as the Father and the Holy Spirit - not that he was one God in and of himself. My apologies for any misunderstanding there.

Answer 1

What did Jesus really teach?

Please note that the context “of” is the same as “his God and Father”.
Please note that the context always makes the God and Father separate from Lord Jesus.

(John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

What did Paul really teach?

(Romans 15:5-6) 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(1 Corinthians 15:24) 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.

(2 Corinthians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,

(2 Corinthians 11:31) 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, even the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

(Galatians 1:3-5) 3 May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

(Ephesians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

(Ephesians 1:17) 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him;

(Ephesians 4:6) 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

(Ephesians 5:20) 20 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ giving thanks always for all things to our God and Father.

(Philippians 4:20) 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

(1 Thessalonians 1:3-4) 3 for we bear incessantly in mind YOUR faithful work and [your] loving labor and [your] endurance due to [your] hope in our Lord Jesus Christ before our God and Father. 4 For we know, brothers loved by God, his choosing of YOU,

(1 Thessalonians 3:11-13) 11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus direct our way prosperously to YOU. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause YOU to increase, yes, make YOU abound, in love to one another and to all, even as we also do to YOU; 13 to the end that he may make YOUR hearts firm, unblamable in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

What did James really teach?

(James 1:27) 27 The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.

What did Peter really teach?

(1 Peter 1:3-4) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for YOU,

What did John really teach?

(Revelation 1:5-6) 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 5 . . .To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

All the NT bible writters agree, Jesus is the only begotten Son of the only true God, Jehovah.

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Answer 2

Thank you Ann and the other saints who know and understand the truth about Jesus and the Holy Trinity but, we must not forget 2 Corinthians 4:3-6; 1 Corinthians 2:14.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14; And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 8:47; He that is of God heareth God's words; ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Amen!!

Answer 3

The Problem we have here is that People see a Verse In the Bible and Run with it. One needs to compare scriptures and see exactly what it means. For instance Moses begged the Creator: “Cause me to see, please, your glory.” (Exodus 33:18) So The Question is DID Moses See God?
Answer " Remembering that God is the Source of even the sun, you can understand why he told Moses: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.” (Ex 33:20)
Two thousand years ago, an angel told a young Jewish woman named Mary: “You will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the MOST HIGH; and Jehovah God will GIVE him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” (Luke 1:31-33)
Any Serious thinking person will ask what does it mean Son of the Most High..who is The Most High? Cannot be Jesus since it Says he will be the Son of the Most High. Then we have the Issue of being " Given" the Throne of David. Why would Jesus have to be Given ANYTHING?
The resurrected Jesus said " “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go therefore and make disciples.”—Matthew 28:18. If Jesus was GOD, why is ALL Authority GIVEN to Him, and By Who?
Then we have this account Paul outlines subsequent events, saying: “Next, the end, when HE (Jesus) hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.”—1 Corinthians 15:23, 24.
So who is Jesus's God & Father? And why Does Jesus Again have to Hand The Kingdom Over to His Father?
Jesus answers Us as to who His GOD and Father is, he told Mary the Following " “Be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17)
All these Questions need to harmonize with the rest of the Bible instead of seeing ONE verse and Building your Argument around it.
I Hope that the Zeal you display for trying to prove something that is wrong RIGHT can be redirected into finding the Truth.

Answer 4

suitable to the top of this technique of issues, he costs Jesus as asserting: “suitable to that day and hour no person is commonplace with, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, yet in basic terms the daddy.” (Matthew 24:36) Jesus says that the daddy is commonplace with greater desirable than the Son does. If Jesus have been area of Almighty God, despite the fact that, he might understand the comparable info as his Father. So, then, the Son and the daddy can't be equivalent. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus made a sparkling huge difference between him and his Father while he pronounced: “this suggests eternal existence, their taking in awareness of you, the only actual God, and of the only whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3) If we've self belief Jesus and understand the effort-free coaching of the Bible, we can understand him through fact the divine Son of God that he's. we will additionally worship Jehovah as “the only actual God.”

Answer 5

You say: "The trinity is not some made up delusion - it is a clear conclusion from NT scripture." If that is true, WHERE is your evidence? According to the trinity, God, eternally exists in three persons: Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. The three persons of the Godhead are coequal and co-eternal.

Paul never said Jesus was God. Instead, he said at Col. 1:3: "We thank God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ always when we pray for you." If God is Jesus' Father, how could Jesus be God?

You may not realize this, but by insisting that Jesus is God, YOU are denying the trinity! How? According to the definition of the trinity, God is THREE persons, not ONE. After all, "trinity" means "a union of THREE," NOT ONE! Jesus is ONE person. If he alone is God, HOW can you say "the trinity is not some made up delusion - it is a clear conclusion from NT scripture"? Aren't you missing two other persons?

You say "Christ is God. I don't have to explain it to know it is true." Christ is NOT God; he's God's Son. (John 10:36) Even if he were God, where is your evidence of the trinity, which says that God is Jesus AND the Father AND the holy spirit?

Why not let Jesus' words speak for themselves? Who did he say was God? At John 17:3, he said to his Father: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." In this verse, Jesus used the word "only." "Only" means "unique; exclusive; one of a kind." So, since the Father is unique as the true God, then nobody else, including Jesus, could be the true God. That's just common sense.

Answer 6

An example supporting your point, Paul says, "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." Acts 20:28

Answer 7

First off, Moises_Frias, no true Christian will be thrown into hell, only the apostates and hypocrites. Next, you're correct in all you say about Jesus. To answer Line Dancer, you must divide the whole bible. These verses which I gave to another about the trinity, are hard to dispute:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consistJoh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

We see here that God created all things, but yet it was Christ (the Word) who created all things, and God's Spirit as well, and Christ was with God and He was God. The Spirit was active at creation as well. Jesus even spoke of another paraclete (comforter, the Holy Spirit) who came and filled the disciples. Jesus said that He and His Father would make their abode in us (this is by the Holy Spirit sent by God).
We also see that the Father delivered us from darkness and placed us into the kingdom of His Son. Jesus told Nicodemus that to see this kingdom, we must be born again of the Spirit.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Now, what I need to see is a overall interpretation of these verses. I am expecting the thumbs down from all of the JW's, but that only assures me that there is no answer to the few verses that I have quoted here,but in all honesty, your doctrines fall very short of what the Holy Bible teaches. I make these statements with much respect to you as individuals.
Now concerning these verses, there are many more, but you my friend must rightly divide the word of God. It is 66 books but yet it is one continous book. The trinity is seen throughout.

Answer 8

in more than 200 verse of the NT that mention God and Jesus as different persons after he went to heaven.

Jesus came to earth he was the firstson of God almighty

have can be his own father?

my friend many christians are going to be rejected by Jesus according to Matthew 7:21-23.

Answer 9

Christ IS God. But He's also the Son of God. There are THREE Divine Persons in the Trinity. The Holy Trinity is a supernatural mystery; it's something we can't explain but we believe it anyways because of our faith in God.

In Pace Christi,
A.F.

Answer 10

The man you call Paul was a self proclaimed apostle and did not need to say a dang thing.

Jesus did it all.

Answer 11

His Father is God too, just a different one.