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If Revelation is talking about Roman Empire of the past (the seven hills thing kinda makes it obvious), then would Evangelical Christians try to mold current events to fit their book so they can point to it as being true for "today" ?



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2007-11-05 07:44:54 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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cause they beleiev its some kind of prophecy for the future

look at the roman empire what did they want? they wanted the known world to be ruled by them the one world government

the whole mark of the beast not being able to buy or sell with out it is the roman empire again

you had to cut deals and pay tributes to teh emperor if you wanted to set up shops and look at all the money from the time it had what on it? the emperors name and face

nero cesaer is the anti christ in numerology the name nero cesaer is 666

the whole harolt was the empire they believed that the kingdom of god was coming soon to destroy it but we all know that didnt happen

its all analogy its just over the years its legend has grown and now people take it as some kind of looming prophecy but its not

dont forget slandering the emperor was a crime punishable by death thats why the revelation says

let those who comprehend the number of the beast is the number of a man

it was nero and as history has shown nero was not a nice guy killing anyone who he wanted to

2007-11-05 07:54:14 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 4 1

Daniel 12:17 ???? What version of the bible are you using. Daniel ends at 12:13 Revelation 12:6 , 14 talks about God's heavenly organization and the child is God's kingdom being born with Jesus as the king. Revelation is not about Nero and the Roman empire. It's about God's kingdom which will rid of the Anglo-american world power in place today. Daniel 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

2016-04-02 06:46:09 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Some of the prophecies in the Bible (such as some of the prophecies about the Messiah) predicted things that would happen soon after they (the prophecies) were written AND about things that would happen centuries later. So a prophet could be talking about both near-future and distant-future fulfillments with one prophecy.

For example, the famous passage in Isaiah 7:14

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

This passage apparently referred both to a young woman [virgin] of Isaiah's time giving birth to a son AND to the later, fuller fulfillment of the prophecy by the birth of Jesus, who truly was Immanuel (God-With-Us.)

Revelation & the apocalyptic prophecies are tough- I don't think anyone would dispute that. It's hard to know how to interpret some of the prophecies. Just because they were fulfilled by the fall of Jerusalem or by the Roman Emperors may not mean that the prophecy can't be fulfilled in a fuller, deeper way in the future. And, as another person responded, some of the predicted events have not happened yet.

The book of Revelation is important and promises blessings to people who read it, but don't get caught up in issues of symbolism and prophecy. Even Biblical scholars disagree on some of these.

What all Christians DO agree on, though, is that 1) God/Jesus Christ wants you to spend eternity with Him and 2) Jesus has made this possible if you believe in Him and accept his gift of salvation. Focus on these, and (in one sense) it won't matter which eschatological viewpoint is correct- you'll be ready to meet Jesus!

2007-11-05 08:20:46 · answer #3 · answered by angelharp7 6 · 1 1

I think Revelation was largely a depiction of past events. In particular Armageddon is a reference to an actual historical battle near Megiddo between the Israelites and either the Babylonians or the Assyrians. There's a lot of Ancient Israelite nationalism in the Old Testament and I think it needs to be seen in that context.

2007-11-07 18:37:35 · answer #4 · answered by Paranormal I 3 · 0 0

SEVEN WORLD EMPIRES AND CHRIST 2ND COMING IN 8TH OF THE 7

Satan in 7 heads, 7 mountains, 7 Empires, 8th of 10 nations, 10 horns.

Rev.17:10-14 [ Satan cast out of heaven in all of the 8th ];
Egypt #1 [ 3560 years ago at Exodus ], Assyria #2 [ 2807 years ago ], Babylon #3 [ 2613 years ago ], Cyrus in #4 [ 2543 years ago ], Greece #5 [ 2343 years ago ], have fallen, but do exist, Rome World Empire #6 is [ 2007 years ago ], Jesus was there, John is there to write Revelations on Patmos, and #7 has not yet come, it ends will bible in circulation 303 years.
And 8th begins, Jesus second coming is in the 8th of the 7 [ Dan.12:1-13, the last days to the time of the end, of Satan Rev.12:3,4,6-11,12; has a short time in the time of the end as Jude 9; Michael is there in the last days to bring the time of the end, Matt,24:3,7,14,15 [ fulfilling ]; Matt.22:42-44 [ fulfilled ]; Acts 2:27-35 [ fulfilled ]; Heb.1:1-13 [ fulfilled ]; Rom.16:20 [ fulfilled ];
John 6:39,30,33 [ fulfilling ]; 14:3 [ fulfilled ]; SO #7 AND THE 8TH OF THE #7, IS NOT ROME.

DANIEL'S TIME OF THE END PROPHECY Dan.12:1-13;

Daniel year 3460 [ Babylon Empire #3, 606 B. C., Rome world Empire #6 ]:
Daniel gives;
2300, 2500, 2520, 2580, 2670 [ now 2613 from Empire #3 ], less 606 B. C.
1694, 1894, 1914, 1974, 2064 [ now 2007 from Empire #6 ]. Plus 606 B. C.
1611--------------------------------------------- BIBLE TO THE WORLD.
2217 -------------------------------------------- PUBLISHED BIBLE IN WORLD.
2300 [ 1150, 1250, 1260, 1290, 1335, twice Dan.25:7 ]; bible in circulation.
2500 bible and Michael Dan.12:1-12; Jude 9; protects WORD, 2Cor.4:3,4;
2520 Rev.12:3,4,6-11,12; Satan's short time, time of the end, WW1. 303 bible.
_______ Rev.9:1-5 [5x 30 = 150 ];Pit open for Satan, God's sealed are there.
2580 Satan's short time, 60 [ of 150 ] Michael 7 WORD 363 years, Vietnam.
____ 380 bible, Rev.9:12-16 [ 391Ez.4:6; ]; 16:12-16 [ Euphrates area ] 396, ____ 2007 C.E.
2613 Satan's short time, 93 [ of 150 ]. Michael & WORD. Rm.16:20; Mk 13:27;
------- Satan down, heavenly raised up John 6:39,40,44; 1Thes.4:15-17; end.
____ 2670 PLUS 3460 IS 6130 years after Eden for Satan.
____ 6130 and Rev.20:1-6,12,13; no Satan 1000 years SAVED at 7130 years

2007-11-05 08:24:35 · answer #5 · answered by jeni 7 · 1 1

Revelation is not talking about the Roman Empire; since the events depicted in the prophecy haven't come true yet, it's obviously a future event.

And FYI, there are TWO relevant cities built on 7 hills: the Vatican and Jerusalem.

2007-11-05 07:48:05 · answer #6 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 0 8

Yes well not every prophecy is in Revelations. First the Rapture shall occur and the true followers of Jesus shall meet in heaven too receive their crowns for their Christian services. The Antichrist aka abomination that makes desolation shall forge a 7 year tribulation shall commence once Israel signs a peace treaty for 7 years. Once that happens the judgments shall commence. The first is the seven seals of the scroll opened by Jesus. By order of the treaty of the Antichrist the Jews are now allowed to build their Temple. During this time because God has such bountiful grace and mercy he dispatched 144,000 Jewish evangelicals out of the 12 tribes of Israel 12,000 each Tribe to proclaim the gospel AND MANY shall be saved. God shall also dispatch the 2 witnesses to preach their testimony for 1,260 or 3 ½ years, these witnesses are indestructible during this time they will command fire to come from the sky as well as shut the sky to inhibit rain from falling and execute as many plagues and torments as often as they wish. Some speculate that it shall be Moses and Elijah, we know it shall be Elijah as written in Malachi 4:5. Then the seven trumpets of Judgment shall commence which are worse than the 7 seal of the scroll. During this time while Israel is in their false sense of Security Rogue nations that harbor hatred towards them shall do a sneak attack on them this is prophesied in Ezekiel Chapter 38 and 39 know as the Prophecy Against Gog. It is when Russia, Ethiopia, Libya, Iran, Turkey and other nations try to wipe Israel of the map but to no avail for God obliterates them in his wrath and hot anger. During the first half of tribulations the false world religion controls everything even the Beast of the Sea. Also some of the Jews heeding the warning of the Jewish Evangelicals shall be suspicious and disillusioned by the antichrist (world Leader) and flee to the ancient Ruins of Petra/Bozrah there they shall be supernaturally protected by God. While the raptured followers of Jesus are given their crown they are pestered by the Devil accusing them they are not worthy to be saved but his accusation (Satan) are in Vain. God having enough of his dribble and comments from the peanut gallery expels Satan out of the atmospheric heaven. When the midpoint of the tribulation comes about the antichrist shall slay the two witnesses and the whole world is so morally bankrupt that they shall rejoice over their death and even give gifts to each other. After 3 ½ days they shall come back to life and a voice from heaven shall say “come” and a cloud ascend them both to heaven while their enemies look below a tenth of Jerusalem is destroyed by an earthquake and 7,000 people are killed via earthquake worldwide. Then the antichrist shall sit himself on the throne and proclaim himself to be “god” and demand worship. The beast out of the Earth (False Prophet) shall make sure everyone accepts the mark of the beast failure to accept it means you cannot buy or sell and you shall be beheaded. This will separate the true Christians from the pseudo-Christians. During this time God in his mercy shall do something that has never been done before!!! He shall dispatch 3 powerful angels in the guise of humans to preach the everlasting gospel. They will adamantly stress and warn that those who accept the mark of the beast shall partake the winepress of God’s wrath. This means accepting the mark of the beast is THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN!!!!!!!! Once the Antichrist sit on the throne and declares himself as “god” then the wrath of Sovereign Lord will reach its zenith and his boiling anger shall commence the 7 bowls of his wrath which is worse than the seven seals of the scroll and the 7 trumpets of Judgment. Babylon shall be rebuilt and all commerce shall be transferred to there as in total opposition of God. Babylon is finally destroyed. The heavens rejoiced at its destruction. Jerusalem shall be taken over and then the nations meet at the valley of Megiddo or known as Armageddon. After Israel recognized its national sin the rejection of Jesus they pray for 2 days and the Lord hears their prayers and Jesus comes back by landing his feat on the Mount of Olives Zechariah 14:3-5. Jesus shall defeat the antichrist and his forces by uttering the word of God and for 1,600 stadias or 2,000 miles up to the horses’ bridle the whole valley of Megiddo shall be a sea of blood thus written in the book of Isaiah 63:1-6. Everyone but the antichrist and false prophet have been turned into fodder by Jesus. The antichrist and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire tormented day and night. Blessed are those who make it to 1,335 days what does that mean Daniel 12:11-12. It means that a saved Christian or Jew that accepted Jesus as their savior are invited to the millennium. From the period of the abomination that makes (midpoint of the tribulations) desolation of the temple to the end of that shall be 1,260 days plus 45 days to purify the Earth from the grievous damage and filth and plus 75 days to judge the nations treatment towards Israel the parting of the sheep and goats the sheep are allowed to enter the millennial kingdom governed by Jesus that equals 1,335 days!! This is the kingdom that was in Daniel 2:44-45 that is the millennial kingdom!! At this time Satan shall be bound in the bottomless pit so he may not tempt for the next 1,000 years. Creation shall be radically changed as the Adamic curse shall be partially lifted there shall be new healthy bodies at that time disease is no more. People can live for 1,000 years!! Nature shall be transformed and wild animals shall be tamed and we all shall be pretty much vegetarians as written in the book Isaiah 65:17-25 and this:

Isaiah 11:

5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling [a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra,
and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD
as the waters cover the sea.


However great that is people are still going to rebel as written in Isaiah 65:20!! Even under utopia conditions via Jesus people shall go against Jesus. Satan shall be released and the rebels will be destroyed by fire from God. Those who are at the Great white Throne are not saved and are not written in The book of life they are thrown in the lake of fire forever and the ones who are saved are in bliss with God and Jesus in the new heaven and Earth. Praise the Lord Jesus!!

2007-11-06 06:31:53 · answer #7 · answered by sundertheshadows 4 · 0 0

Christians don't need to mold anything to fix the Bible,, what is written in the Bible will be what happens.. And no man can change that...

2007-11-05 07:48:53 · answer #8 · answered by dolphinchic 3 · 2 4

No need to 'mold' events, the already fit pretty well.

2007-11-05 07:48:48 · answer #9 · answered by credo quia est absurdum 7 · 1 4

Revelation is yet future. Everything past chapter 3 hasn't happened yet, and it is all guaranteed 100% to happen.

2007-11-05 07:47:22 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 6

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