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If the answer is either shouldn't we be able to detect his presence, or at least the effects of his presence?

If the answer is neither isn't it safe to say that he doesn't exist?

2007-11-05 05:52:06 · 23 answers · asked by ChooseRealityPLEASE 6 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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2007-11-05 05:59:03 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3 4

This is a great question. I who do believe in an intelligent design still am swimming in wonderings, Is He an Entity? Can he speak, or at the very least cause one to "hear the voice of the Lord? I cannot believe the creatures on earth, or for that matter where-ever, who have emotions are without soul. Soul to me is God given.
That is proof for me, whether it is energy or spirit, doesn't matter, it is an emotional entity of some sort.

2007-11-05 10:12:27 · answer #2 · answered by June smiles 7 · 1 0

Either? Neither?
Both.

If there is a black box and we can not detect anything in the box and we can not have any input or receive any output from the box, then science is limited in that case.

But science is not limited on proofs of the existence of God; rather our minds have fooled us to the point where we have become the greatest fools. If God came to this earth and walked on water, healed the sick, and raised the dead, then we still would not believe he exists, and even worse.

General types of proofs: 1) of design of creation, 2) God sent his son and came to earth, 3) historical proof through the Bible, 4) self evident.

Matter and energy are things that we know, then there are things that we do not know.

Depending on your assumptions a given possible system of thought contains necessary elements. You can then compare possible systems of thought by their details.

In life we gamble in the face of paradoxes.

2007-11-05 15:43:24 · answer #3 · answered by David L 4 · 0 1

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2007-11-05 06:01:47 · answer #4 · answered by David Carrington Jr. 7 · 2 2

God is the non-material field of reality in which we are embedded that appears responsive to consciousness, while it is we who are the creators of our experience of reality. All matter evolved out of this field (propagation from photons) and centers itself in its environment. Our human perceptions and thought system are controlled by the beliefs embedded electrochemically and holographically throughout the mind/body system during early development. We thereby only perceive what we have been conditioned to believe is true. We each generate an EM field that affects matter at a distance and to which we also respond internally electrochemically. We thereby attract what we fear into our experience - primarily through misperception - and cause what we unconflictedly want to happen. Religion offers many different paths and approaches to stabilizing this relationship between being and reality. Psychology and physics are not advanced enough at present to offer a way out of human misery which is self-perpetuating.

When people project their defects onto others and their attributes onto deity, they are simply misunderstanding the nature of being/reality.

2007-11-05 06:33:18 · answer #5 · answered by MysticMaze 6 · 3 0

god created matter and energy. that's like a cake saying "well the baker has to be either cake or icing and if he's neither he must not exist". just because our very limited brains and sensory perception cannot perceive something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. and even though i don't agree with you, congratulations on being a person who is willing to think we need more of you in the world

2007-11-05 05:58:12 · answer #6 · answered by jbird116 2 · 2 1

The Effects of His presence yes, But God is Omnipotent and Omni Present and Omni Temporal.

One way to detect Him is this.

Using Entropy and Causality used as
a proof for God's existence


The second law of thermodynamics states that the amount of energy in a system that is available to do work is decreasing. Entropy increases as available energy decreases. In other words, the purely natural tendency of things is to move toward chaos, not order, and available energy necessary for work is lost (mostly as heat) in this process. Eventually, the universe will run down and all life and motion will cease. This is the natural tendency of all things. Batteries run down, machines break, buildings crumble, roads decay, living things die, etc. Left to the natural state, all things would eventually cease to function.

The universe is not infinitely old because it has not "run down."
If the universe were infinitely old, it would have reached a state where all usable energy is gone.
But, we are not in this state; therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and must have had a beginning.
Because the universe has had a beginning it is not infinite in size.
It would require an infinite amount of time to become infinite in size. Since the universe had a beginning, it has not had an infinite amount of time to expand; therefore, it is finite in size.
All events have causes.
There cannot be an infinite regress of events because that would mean the universe were infinitely old.
We've already established the universe cannot be infinitely old.
If it were infinitely old, the universe would be in a state of unusable energy, which it is not.
If it were infinitely old, the universe would be infinitely large, which it is not.
Since the universe is finite and had a beginning and there cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe.
A single uncaused cause of the universe must be greater in size and duration than the universe it has brought into existence.
Otherwise, we have the uncaused cause bringing into existence something greater than or equal to itself.
Any cause that is natural to the universe is part of the universe.
An event that is part of the universe cannot cause itself to exist.
Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause outside the universe.
An uncaused cause cannot be a natural part of the universe which is finite.
An uncaused cause would be infinite in both space and time since it is greater than which it has caused to exist.
An uncaused cause would be separate from the universe.
Being separate from the universe, which was caused to be, it would not be subject to the laws of the universe since it existed independent of the universe and its laws.
This would mean that entropy need not be required of the uncaused cause.
This uncaused cause is supernatural.
By supernatural is meant completely 'other' than the universe and is not the product of it.
This uncaused cause must be incredibly powerful to bring the universe into existence.
The Bible teaches that God is uncaused, is not part of the universe, created the universe, and is incredibly powerful.
God's existence (in Christianity) is not an event, but a state.
Psalm 90:2 says that God is God without a beginning.
This means that God is uncaused.
Therefore, the God of the Bible is the uncaused cause of the universe.

2007-11-05 05:57:47 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 4

I don't know and it doesn't matter.

So you want to detect his presence huh? Try praying and praising him. Time is running out so quit fence sitting. Jesus is Lord and when he was here he was made of matter and full of the Spirit. He loves you even if you don't love him back.

Oh yeah one of the effects of his presence is the WHOLE UNIVERSE.

2007-11-05 05:58:35 · answer #8 · answered by Hello 4 · 2 3

Neither. God is made of pure spirit. It's safe to say God doesn't exist. God won't punish you for not believing.

2007-11-05 05:58:09 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

If it's neither it could mean God is just God and that he doesn't have to be confined to only your choices between matter and energy.

2007-11-05 05:56:27 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

All souls are non-material, non-matter. Souls are energy. God is a soul, so he is made of energy. Think of points of light. And, yes, we can detect his/her presence, but it's a very subtle energy. (his/her- souls don't have gender, only the bodies they inhabit have gender, but God never inhabits a body).

2007-11-05 05:56:35 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 3 5

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