To those that deny Christ's existence, his miracles, and the record of his life, can you answer these things?

Question

Let me say that we have a usual, common-sense way of telling the truth about things and that is looking at available evidence (witness statements and physical evidence).

Having said that, allow me to play the same game with the person of Abraham Lincoln. For this exercise, I deny that he ever existed, was president or freed the slave.
I state that all of your evidence is forged, falsified, purgured or mistakenly understood.

I realize that this is surely a bit extreme, but the Lincoln Hoax was, indeed, pulled off in a more technologically advanced world and as such, is more easily believed than the Christ hoax. After all there were no cameras or printing presses available, so the Christ-hoax conspiracy used more people in lieu of technology.
This hoax is old and all witnesses are dead. So their statements cannot be challenged and are therefore invalid!
I guess that sums up the total of the 'Christ-hoax' arguements
Prove that Lincoln existed and did what history records.

Best quote so far (24 'answers'):
"in an era lacking in the accuracy of instant mass media"
just look at the Accurate mass media of today:
over 100 persons, on video on the day of the 'attacks' on 9/11
Many, many secondary explosions. Explosions from the basements
being told to leave because if another explosion goes off it will fall
regardless of your toughts of gov't conspiracy or if you believe that terrosts attacked, instant mass media coverage stated one thing and later contradicted itself by affirming the official version.
I do not deny that there was a civil war or that slaves were freed
I stated that the tech of the day, print and photos added to the credability of the Lincoln hoax (by the way I accept and agree that Lincoln lived, was prez, assassinated etc..., this is just an exercise) and you are all telling me of the tools used in the hoax as proof of no hoax.
I accept, in this exercise, that there was a man who was prez and was in photos, just not Lincoln

The timeframe that a witness gives testimony does not increase the truth contained in his or her story, so whether the Bible was written 1 day or 70 years later, the truth or falsehood is equal.
Second to the person who claimed, incorrectly, that Jesus did not claim to be who and what is later written and claimed of him, he did, and often.
What is telling, because there was much desire to discredit him, why is there no contradictory writings contempory to the followers who DID record his life and works?
Newspaper publisher Hearst was instrumental in getting Kennedy elected in '60, so don't think that the press is not controlled nor controlling.
As technology advances, it will become every more possible and probable that a worldwide hoax can and one day WILL be pulled off (9/11, perhaps, if you believe some)
To all who made assertations of what is not true, please cite reference, or your ideas are hear-say and therefore inadmissable!

Answer 1

Yeah that's all great but nobody suggested that Lincoln walked on water and brought people back from the dead, or that he was a son of a god.

Answer 2

First of all people are going to call this a stupid comparison .
A month after your death , how will people be able to prove YOU existed and wrote this stupid question .
With Lincoln , just to scratch the surface, There are : Historical Contemporary Recordings ( writings) from around the world written by people both praising and denigrating Lincoln . There are extensive Historical facts in Newspapers surrounding the events Lincoln participated in such as debates , The Civil War , His asasination etc. There are photographs of Lincoln . There are government records of Lincoln's existance and activities . There is no decernable reason to have made up Lincoln . We know there would have been a president of the US at that time . If not Lincoln , who was ? There is a body buried where it should be . There are Lincoln's hand signed documents and analyzed writings . There is much , much more .
With Jesus you have ONE account by a person who was alive at the same time and this person makes a point of sayin that the information he received about this "so-called Christ" is second hand . All other writtings are highly suspect as to accuracy and motive . And there is NO other proof as writings in Jesus own hand , etc.

Added : Athorgar. Quote :
"What is telling, because there was much desire to discredit him, why is there no contradictory writings contempory to the followers who DID record his life and works? "
First of all ,there wasn't that much desire to discredit Jesus ( IF he even existed ) back then . Most of the second hand acounts by later historians were also quite brief and mostly negative . It wasn't until the publication of the Catholic Cathchism that the negative stories about Jesus were thrown out ( see The Lost Gosples ) and positive stories were sought out . And since that point in time the hand copying of all books was fairly well controlled by the Jews ( who didn't think Jesus was worth writing about - Just another one lumped in with many other false "messiahs" of that time ), and by the Catholic Church .People did not have much desire to discreit Chritianity until they started using The Cusades as an excuse for murder and plundering .And it wasn't until the invention of the printing press that the Catholic Church started to have trouble containing new ideas such as Martin Luther's severe critism of the Pope and other church leaders .
Also as most Chrisian fanatics you pick little things out of context and yell about those things: like mistakes spoken during live reporting of an catastropic even like 9-11 , while failing to respond to statements like the ones about DNA evidence and hereditary lineage .

Answer 3

hehehe! "a bit extreme"? try really silly. he a was famous leader of an entire nation during a time of strife, thousands of people saw Lincoln in person including newspaper reporters and journalists, his writings and signature are well documented and preserved, we have photographs and his decedents still exist. Jesus left us no such verifying evidence of his existence. not one piece of physical evidence or contemporary reporting have thus far been discovered. you'd think that if someone was performing miracles and his death was the cause of an earthquake someone with some historical credence would have written those amazing events down somewhere for prosperity. (and don't cite Josephus. the mention of Jesus in his writings have been debunked).
tho i can believe that a radical Rabbi named Yeshua existed because most legends have some basis in real persons and events i am not inclined to believe that the man was anything more than a man and the godhead and miracles attributed to him to be anything more than aggrandizements that surely occur when a story is embellished upon over a period of decades. the New Testament was written some 30-70 years after Jesus' purported death ... in an era lacking in the accuracy of instant mass media that's plenty of time for myth making.

PS. in answer to your specious edit. citing the inaccuracies in the 1st reports of 9/11 is rediculous. further information was quickly forthcoming and more accurate data was compiled and thereafter reported. no further clarifying information or evidence concerning the existance and activities of Jesus has ever been uncovered. get over it. you've lost your own silly game. why do you care about accurate information about Jesus anyway? faith in the perfection of the Bible is all you need. right?

Answer 4

I am not an atheist but follow the link. There you will find a website that tells you where all of the documents written be Lincoln can be physically found. That was too easy and any thinking person will shoot holes in you assertion. The primary difference is that Lincolns body can be located and his descendants can be traced. The same can not be said for Jesus Christ. That does not invalidate Christ's existence or his Divinity.

Answer 5

Furthermore, a lot of the evidence about Jesus is contradictory. The biblical account of Jesus' life is not consistent with written records from Roman historians. The "census" that supposedly caused Joseph and Mary to travel to Jerusalem never happened. "Nazareth" did not exist as a place until it was founded by a Christian at least 150 years after the death of Jesus. There are records of Crucifixions of many "Jesuses" around the right period, but none that are consistent with the biblical Jesus.

Answer 6

There are photos of Lincoln, but not Jesus. More importantly, there are also many, many contemporary accounts of his existence, many of them "official" (i.e. government documents). In the case of Jesus, we have no document referring to him during his lifetime - they were all written at least a couple decades after his death. Only a couple of those writers even claim to have met Jesus. Many of the claims these people make of Jesus they were witness to, such as his birth, which makes the stories hearsay. We have no official records of him at all. A Roman record of his execution would be a tremendous find. And we have no records of him from someone who doesn't gain something from telling his story. We only have the stories of his followers, of people who wanted listeners to specifically believe in his existence.

None of this proves he didn't exist, but it does mean there are serious problems with accepting the evidence as "evidence."

It is much more likely that a handful of people were misinforned about jesus than thousands upon thousands of people were misinformed about Lincoln. You simply cannot compare the two scenarios. You're talking a single apple in comparison with a truckload of oranges.

Answer 7

My friend you must not know much about History. There are indeed Pictures of Lincoln. We have Documents that he signed. We have things that he owned. We have the House he grew up in. We have a huge amount of writing from many many many reputable sources of his existence. Including many respected News Papers. We know where his Corpse is. We can actually dig him up and prove that he is real.
While with your Jesus we have only a very few writings of his existence. One of whom known as Josephus was a known liar.
Your argument is infantile at best.

Answer 8

I've seen photographs and read newspaper clippings of Lincoln's death. Haven't seen any of that on JC.

That being said, I do believe Jesus existed. I believe he was a cool guy, teaching love of self and love of others. I believe he was an awesome Reiki practitioner who ran around in a circle of thirteen (himself and twelve others)...hey, he could easily be one of my friends if he lived today! BUT -- I most certainly am sane enough to realize he was not the direct descendant of deity through birth by a virgin teenager. And you know what? NOT ONCE did he ever claim any of that. He said God was his father...aren't we all one, made of the same creators? Then we are ALL children of the God and Goddess. There, all solved!

Answer 9

we have his remains and his house. from his remains we can tell what he looked like and from that we can match it up to the portraits and statues. so that proves that he does in fact exist. we know that there was originally a constitution with so many amendments and a change was added during the time he lived and that there had to be a president at that point in time. so we can logically assume that it is likely that he lived and was a president and did as history says.

Answer 10

You're obviously a moron.

For one, if Lincoln didn't exist, why isn't slavery still around in the United States?

For two, whose in that casket in all the pictures of Lincoln's memorial ceremony, as well as his tomb in Oak Ridge Cemetary? Actually, whose that man in all the actual pictures of Lincoln? An imposter?

Stop being stupid and go read a book.

Answer 11

Okay so you reject all the evidence we have and then ask us to prove that he existed with the evidence you previously disregarded. Furthermore he has been proven to exist beyond a reasonable doubt. The proof which you are requiring goes beyond a reasonable doubt. These two criteria which I have provided mean that your question has gone beyond a reasonable level of stupidity.