Illegal Immigration and the economy. You can't have your cake and eat it. Right?

Question

The US economy is booming.
Illegal immigration is booming.
Is this a strange 'coincidence', or what?
You can't have your cake and eat it. Right?
Wrong.
Give them a path towards legalisation, (learn English, undergo background criminal check, have a job) and watch the cake get bigger.
And some people have to stop this delusion about 'deporting them all'. It's never going to happen.
Opinions?

Just a minute there! Please!
Are some of you trying to tell me that Bush, Paulsen, Bernanke, Guiliani, Romney and all the commentators at Fox Business Channel and CNBC are all WRONG?
No booming economy?
And Hillary, Obama, etc are RIGHT?
Well, well, well.

Answer 1

I don't know if there is a direct causal effect. But I like your train of thought.

Answer 2

When you speak of President Bush do you still call the economy "booming", or is that a term you use only for discussions about illegal immigration?

If the illegals of the countries south of the US were as anti-communist, conservative, and likely to vote Republican as the Cubans, the line would be drawn in the sand with Democrats blaming the inability of the lower income jobs to keep up with inflation almost exclusively on Republican backed illegal immigration.

The Union leaders would all make sure American workers knew exactly how much 20 million illegal competitors negatively effect their negotiating power with management instead of sitting quietly on their thumbs as the number of full time employed poor grows, year by year.

Tell us another one.

Answer 3

Well....when it comes to the government and their "numbers" as to how well or bad things are going.......sorry....don't believe them. They say our employment is at an all time low....but you sure can't tell that by the 100's and sometimes 1000's showing up to apply for jobs that don't pay enough to live on but are all thats available around here. The economy isn't "booming" when homes are being forclosed on and prices are on the rise and wages still aren't close to keeping up. Our dollar is loosing it's value on the world market....we're trillions in debt......sorry....but I don't call that "good" just because the darn stock market had a temp upswing. I'm sure the guy who's winning at the roulette wheel thinks things are fine and dandy......till there's a bad spin.

I've had money and I've been flat broke. Right now this country sucks......and there's not enough money on the face of the earth that compensates for all we lost with this influx of illegals. If that's the cake your offering......keep it. I don't want any.

I'm sure a few are doing quite well....but as a whole.....I don't think so.

Answer 4

Well we shouldn't just reward them for breaking the law, should we? If a United States citizen broke the law, we would either get fined, go to jail or go to prison. We don't get rewarded. Why should it be any different for them? While I agree that it would be almost impossible to deport them all, we can get rid of the vast majority of them. We could offer amnesty to about 500,000 of them and their family of 4 if they build a wall along our border. The thing is though, they must become a LEGAL United States in every sense and the must learn English, pass a criminal background check, pay taxes and obey ALL of our laws. At least this way, there will be less of them and more won't be able to come over here. What is so wrong with comming here the legal way anyways? My grandmother who is from Germany did it, so why can't they?

Answer 5

Exactly where did you get your economy degree from anyway, Pleasant Valley Vo Tech?

It's a JOBLESS economy. Read the below link to understand.

In a global and technology driven economy, it can boom and there can still be unemployment and even more prevalent, UNDER employment. WHich is what we have in the US.

Our middle class is shrinking horribly. This booming economy is increasingly one of the "haves" and the "have nots." There is no manufacturing: it has all be outsourced to cheap overseas labor. (I also blame the unions for their part in driving it there, but hey, thats another post all together.)

Ask the lower educated men and women who used to work with their hands and their backs: the plumbers, the electricians, the pipefitters, the automakers, etc. These jobs are gone.......either overseas or they have been replaced by the cheaper labor of the illegal immigrants here criminally.

Illegal immigration hurts the most vulnerable of Americans through flooding the labor pool and depressing the wages. These vulnerable Americans are the very ones my tax paying dollars SHOULD be going to support.

Yes I'm in a white collar, executive job and my finances are just fine. But I see traditional American middle class crumbling. And my father was a middle class man who put his daughter and his son through college through sweat equity so they wouldn't have to have sweat jobs.

There are too many US fathers today who don't have that same opportunity to do that for their own children. ANd it pisses me off.

So there.

Answer 6

Nov 1 of this year Oklahoma has just passed a strict law against illegal immigration. We are doing just fine and dandy and now some of our schools can back to teaching our kids without being overrun by illegals. I love going to a store now or a restaurant and hear ENGLISH 99% of the time. It's about time too. Thousand of illegals have left.

Why should we have to pay a $10,000 medical bill for our 7 yr old while illegals get free healthcare?

According to the link below says it will hurt everyone, sorry, I notice a difference in Tulsa already and it is a NICE change.

Too many times I have been insulted by these ungrateful people and it's time they move on, preferably to their OWN country. Illegals need to demand from THEIR government instead of ours. legal immigration is different than illegal immigration. Illegals are not just mexicans, so don't even bother calling me or others racist because that is not the case.

Answer 7

That has got to be the most LAME analogy I have ever heard.
The only direct correlation between illegal immigration and the economy is that it HURTS the economy.

Hospitals closing, healthcare costs rising, overcrowding of schools, dumbing down of the schools because no child left behind laws that favor non native non english speaking students. The list is endless.

Yes, we have enjoyed a good economy as of late but the illegals are dragging it down, they are NOT contributing more than they take.

Answer 8

-The housing market is doing great ( in fore-closers)
It's hard to do a background check when most don't even have a birth certificate or use there real name. illegals take alot of jobs from Americans who pay taxes,they drive wages down, The only one who prospers is at the top, not American blue collar workers. Many Americans cannot afford cake or let alone a house to live in because wages are to low to qualify for a mortage. You need to get out of your cubeicle and travel around the country talk to Americans and get the real story.

Answer 9

The illegals are a drain on the economy. No Amnesty for anyone here who came illegally. Let them get in line with all the ones trying to come legally. As for deporting them it can be done. We may not do them all at once but it is happening. I live in a city in which three temp services have been raided and 80 deported.

Answer 10

We gave them amnesty in 1986 in which 2.7 million illegals became legal. Now 20 years later, we have 12-20 million illegals in our country. Why repeat the same mistake?

The most effective solution is to punish the employers who hire them since they are the only people benefiting from illegal laborers. They make big profits while putting the burden on us, the taxpaying citizens, to pay for their illegal workers' health care costs and education for their children. If there is no work for the illegals, they wouldn't have a reason to come here.

Answer 11

Take a look at the LAPD 10 most wanted list. And that is just the tip of the iceberg... We're alot safer with all illegals GONE. They are killing us physically and financially.
Tons of towns in southern California look like little Tijuana. Its not good. Its mostly scary because it seems "unchecked" or out of control. The financial burden of carrying them is getting too heavy for me. i.e; unisured motorist, hospitals closing, scarce construction jobs, etc...
I think your living in some delusional world where its cake and ice cream. I'm living in the real world..