this is a question for athiests?

Question

okay i am pretty sure that most of you believe a looooonnnng time ago everything was just matter, until the big bang happened, or whatever you think.

but tell me where did that matter come from, and if that matter came from something where did that come from. keep giving me answers until you don't know.


now i'm sure you will have a counter argument, and i am waiting to here it(not sarcastic)

perfect, i was waiting for the question of where did my god come from, well here you go

god is not bound by time, he is out of it which is really hard to understand. we are bound by time so we can't comprehend it but god has always and forever been living. but he is out of time. its like we are in an entirely different place, and he is not

i'm not asking for evidence, just the opposite, its a question that no one can answer, in other words i just found a loop whole in your whole theory. so there were alsways cells, where did that come from, you will never no the answer, so you'll deny it and go to a different subject

i got you people to go I DON'T KNOW, meaning nobody can prove anyone is right, because we don't know a lot of things

Answer 1

Why would a Christian ask an Atheist for any kind of evidence to back up their beliefs? Christianity is based entirely on faith with no historic evidence to back it up. Is believing something (like the Big Bang theory) with scientific evidence seem like such a stretch when compared to a devote faith in Christianity?

Answer 2

OK, but understand this first.
George Lemaitre, the originator of the Big Bang Model of the universe was a Jesuit priest, and you do not get much more hard core Christian God believer than that.

Next is that the reason he proposed the theory was so that they could claim the Universe did not always exist.
If the Universe always existed that would make the creation story false.
Now there are several theories of how the matter came into being. Quantum fluctuations in a quantum vacuum is one very good model.
However science is not really asking about what was on the other side of the big bang yet. There are enough questions to be asked on this side of it for now.

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If God exists outside of time he exists outside of space as well. This is pretty simple physics. Your argument renders your God nonexistent.
You just proved the atheists right.

Answer 3

Wait, I don't understand. If we say "I don't know" then what happens? Zeus exists? I think you are missing some steps in your proof.

I don't know where matter came from. I don't know if matter/energy in some form or another always existed. But I do know that there is NOTHING CLOSE to sufficient evidence to believe in a God.

EDITED TO ADD:
"perfect, i was waiting for the question of where did my god come from, well here you go

god is not bound by time"

The second you make an exception for anything, just out of the blue, then the other side can do the same. I could assert the universe always existed (but we can't see outside the current iteration, which we call 'time'). There, we both asserted something out of the blue. Now what? At least I know the universe exists... you still don't have any evidence for God.

Answer 4

Actually, Piano Guy, before the Big Bang, there likely wasn't matter. It CAME FROM the Big Bang.

Ok. This will be really hard to understand, because so many people are taught that things HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, but they don't!

The point is that matter can (and does) come into existence from nowhere. With the laws of quantum physics, it is possible for a particle and an anti-particle to simply spring into existence. It violates no laws. It may violate the common sense of people who are taught that things have to some from somewhere, but you really need to learn that the universe may not operate the way the Bible and Pastors and other people who don't understand science agree that it does.

Answer 5

If everything needs to be caused/ created, who or what caused God to exist?

Isn't it just as hard to accept that an all-powerful, all-knowing being has always existed, as it is to accept that matter came out of "nowhere?" The difference is, we have evidence that matter exists, but no evidence of God or any being even remotely like Him.

To answer your question, I don't know. I hope that science will be able to explain it someday, but until then I'll have to admit my ignorance in this matter.

Edit -- your argument that God exists "outside of time" is nonsensical. Things outside of time exist for no period of time at all. Thus, they do not exist. I think you meant to say that God has always existed. That is less ridiculous, but there is no reason to accept this idea.

Answer 6

Heres your answer. Nobody knows!

But would it make more sense for a supernatural superpowerful being to come from nothing? Or does it make more sense from an atom to come from nothing and evolve?

Maybe matter just always was. Maybe nothing had to create matter.

After all we are made of the same stuff as stars. There's just different reactions happening to us, than stars.

Answer 7

where did matter come from? When it really boils down to it? when you keep giving answers until you don't know?

Well how bout this bro - I don't know. I just don't. What started the chemical reactions, where it all came from.... I DON'T KNOW. No one does. Not me, not you, not charles darwin, not even the spice girls. In conclusion: more research is needed!

Another thing i don't get is your answer here:

god is not bound by time, he is out of it which is really hard to understand. we are bound by time so we can't comprehend it but god has always and forever been living. but he is out of time.

WOahh.....how can someone "be out of time". Please explain in ways we can understand what you mean. Thanks!

Answer 8

What do you mean where does everything "Come from."
"Come from" is a space - and space is apart of the universe. Not only that but to say that everything came from something - implies that something was apart of the process - hence, it to is apart of the Universe.

The Universe is not a "Thing." It`s everything that is. People often asks well is the Universe eternal? Again, time does not supersede the Universe it is apart of the Universe.

Answer 9

Since I'm a Christian, I get to be sarcastic.

Your question is stupid. You have no argumentive point and the idea that all atheist believe one thing is like saying all Christians wait till their married to have sex . .. . it just ain't true.

Bottom line is, God loves atheist the same as a follower. I know, no logic, but then again . . .we serve a loving God.

Answer 10

Do you think anybody really knows?

The fact that atheists don't claim to have all the answers makes them a lot more humble than some people I know.