When was the last time the Israeli Army didn't have green light from the USA to do whatever they want ?

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and you're busy spreading love here dianna, I'm sure...

it's funny that you feel that critisizing the invasion of Gaza is ''spreading hate'', i'd be more worried about sending an army to kill and be killed in gaza if i were you.

it should support israel when israel is being democratic like you described, which in this case it obviously isn't.

Ironically, if democracy truly shall serve Israel's national interests in the region, then maybe it should direct its powerful lobby in Washington, AIPAC, to start lobbying on behalf of the oppressed in the Middle East; after all promoting "democracy is the key" to a lasting peace in the Middle East?

Are you aware that 95% of Israel's lands are open for development for "Jewish people" only?

Are you aware that the Israeli-Palestinian minority (who are close to a quarter of Israel's citizens) are restricted to 3% of land?

Answer 1

I agree with Paperbac to a point.. The American' s have no choice but to back Israelis. They are their only ally in the region, ibut I have been to Israel and as far as I know the Israelis are are quite uncomfortable with having the U.S as an ally, But there is a very powerful Jewish American Lobby in the U.S and they hold many cards in the U.S Business Arena and believe they have a god given right as Jews to protect the holy land? Judaism is a Religion not a culture any one can become a Jew. Israelis on the other hand are a melting pot of cultures, ranging from Arab to Russian and yes African and therefore, most Israelis do not want the problems they now have with the Palestinians, Israelis are "Not Christians" and the bible has nothing to do with Israelis or Judaism, Jesus is not their Messiah.... Hesbolla was born out of the brutal occupation being waged against the Palestinian peoples by the Zionist, Fundamental/Fanatical Racist Settlers, The European Jews that were forced out of Europe by several European countries after the 2nd world war, also the powerful Jewish lobby in the U.S. thus the creation of the State of Israel by the Brits and Americans in 1948, When Someone occupies and steals your land, that you have been on for thousands of years, and your families are forced into a degradation beyond human belief, then one can only assume that the victims of this repression will and should fight back by any means necessary. Let us all not forget how most of us hated "Apartheid" and we banded together as a world community to put a stop to it. We even advocated violence against the Brutal Apartheid system. The reason why we do not do the same for Palestinians escapes me.. But at some point something will have to give, and the fanatics on all sides will have either draw their lines in the sand and either stand up and do the right thing or fight it out to the bitter end. I pray it is the former. Too many bad hands are on Palestine and Israel and the worst one is the US. They are cynical and racist and have no interest in the people of Palestine or Israel. Their history has proven that they willl do and say anything to get what they want.

Answer 2

For all of you who have doubts about how cruel the IDF is and for all of you that cannot believe that the zionist movement could do something so cruel: read about it in your own newspaper!!!!! Quoted from Haretz: Sun., March 16, 2008 How pathetic is an occupation army that empties out warehouses of food and clothing earmarked for orphans; how absurd is GOC Central Command Major General Gadi Shamni, who signs closure orders for beauty salons and clothing shops; how outrageous is the confiscation of industrial refrigerators in which food for children is kept; how cruel is a military regime that closes libraries used by young people; how ridiculous are the excuses that closing bakeries contributes to the war against terror; how foolish is the battle against dairies whose products are earmarked for these children; and how difficult is the situation of the Israeli occupation in the territories if it must resort to such contemptible activities in order to establish its status. And when you're done, ask yourselves if you can honestly, How pathetic is this????

Answer 3

This was certainly not the last time, but a great example none-the-less. On the day of the Syrian invasion of Israel on Yom Kippur 1973, the Israeli heads of state met together to discuss what to do about the mounting Syrian pressence on the border. Though a pre-emptive strike was floated as an idea, it was strike down only because Israel knew that America would not support Israel if it struck first. The rest is history. Had Israel struck first, the war very likely would have gone differently, but they did not as the did not have the "green light" from the USA. As I said, not the most recent example, but an important one nonetheless.

Answer 4

I really think some issues are getting confused here.

Make no mistake: America supports Israel because it suits AMERICA to do so - not because it suits Israel. Yes, in many ways Israel does benefit, but America is protecting her own interests out in the middle east. She wants an ally out there and Israel, as a fellow democracy, is the only one that's really going to fill that role.

I'm sure that yes, behind the scenes, America does give a 'green light' for certain missions, such as the attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor back in the 1980s. But then again, looking back on the regime of Saddam Hussein, are we not all rather glad that Israel did that? And ditto with the nuclear facility at Syria more recently.

Yes, 'B', I am sure America did give tacit approval to Israel. No surprise or revelation there.

But consider the fact that Israel is up against terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, which get funding and backing from Iran and Syria. Having America back Israel evens things up, don't you think?

I presume that, if it's true you live in America (I don't know if that remark by another poster is true) then you are PRO democracy?

So if that's true, you can surely appreciate why America supports Israel, also a democracy?

edit for european,

do you mind if I challenge a few of your points?:)

You can't compare Israel to South Africa. In Israel everyone is free to vote and worship as they please. There are Israeli Arabs sitting in the knesset (parliament).

Also, nobody 'stole' land from the Palestinians. The British 'owned' Palestine and they divided the land; part was for the Palestinians, part for the Jewish settlers there. The Jews said yes, they would accept this plan; the Arab world refused this plan. The Palestinians were then put in an impossible position. Obviously they did not want to stay while the Arab countries simultaneously attacked Israel, which happened within 12 hours of the country becoming 'officially' Israel. The Arab leaders lied to the Palestinians and promised that if they fled, they COULD return to their homes when the Jews were driven out.

But as we know, the Jews fought back and so this did not happen. Those Palestinians who remained and did not flee, today are full Israeli citizens.

So I do understand why the Palestinians are angry. But they are angry with the wrong people: they should be angry with the Arab leaders who misled them. A crucial point which I ask you to note: the Jews accepted partition. If the Arabs did also, there would already be a Palestinian homeland.

Answer 5

The Israeli Army doesn't need any green lights from the USA to do anything. In a democracy such as Israel, the army does what is ordered by the civilian government and the executive branch of that government. There is a lot of communication between the USA and the government of Israel, but it goes both ways with lots of intelligence info going back to the US. If Israel had always waited for an OK from the US, it would have been annihilated in the 1973 and Iraq would have had nuclear weapons by 1996.

Answer 6

If it wasn't for the US, Israel would have annexed the Gaza and West Bank and Kept the Sinai. Israel haters are morons, the US is the only ones actually helping the Palestinians while the Muslim world gives them nothing because they want them to be seen as victims.

Answer 7

B you are mistaken. Israel doesn't let anyone (either Israeli nor non-Israeli)buy 78% percent of the lands- of Israel's land isn't owned by anyone except the government(which has Israeli arab ministers in it too).
this is the property laws - check wikipedia.

The rest of the 22% percent are open to the public section to buy(so you can buy land too if you want) - let's see which arab islamic based country would allow that.

where did you read what you stated about the 95%? where?

Answer 8

Maybe never B.
What do we expect? But, see how US economy is sliding down, Al Asr is the answer I supposed; that doesn't mean we sit and wait only.

Why dont we do like the Judo's winners, let them weaken themself through their own efforts and energy. meanwhile we strengthen ourselves with Imaan and Taqwa. Amal ma'ruuf and nahi munkar.

Answer 9

While there have been many such occasions, one of the more memorable times occurred when Saddam was launching missiles in the First Gulf War.

Every man, woman, and child (regardless of race, creed and color) in Israel was a potential target. Yet Israel was asked not to respond.

Answer 10

Israel is always being Democratic - the problem is someone like you doesn't understand what the concept of democracy means and what facisms is like what exists in the Gaza Strip for example.

Good Luck!!!