Atheists and Christians?

Question

This question is mostly for atheists but they wont read a question unless they try and make fun of other religions. But here it goes.

Atheists, you believe god doesn't exist right? Well if god didn't do it who did. You say the big bang or whatever right? Well how did all those galaxies and molecules and that other stuff get their in the first place? Did it evolve from other stuff and even if it did how did that stuff get their? And evolution? That is very unlikely. I believe organisms can evolve to a certain extent to fit their environment or situation, but evolving from a fish to a human? That is just crazy I mean really. Now of course I'm either going to get reported or suspended. But honestly to any atheist answering this question(not trying to take away free speech or anything) but how about answering this question logically and not just bashing me because i'm a christian.

Answer 1

The universe behaves in a rational way, because it follows rational laws. The universe, didn't have to be orderly, but it is, becuase it was created by a rational creator (God). It is a miracle that the universe can be understood through mathematics! If the basic laws of nature were changed just ONE infinite amount, there would be NO life in the universe! Such as if the strong-weak force, gravity, electro-magnetic force, etc. were an infinite amount different, the universe couldn't contrain life. What are the chances of the universe "fine-tuning" itself for life without a creator?! Western Modern science itself arose from Christian scientists who assumed with faith that the universe could be measured/studied with math because of God. God bless.

Answer 2

I'll take your questions in order and try not to leave anything out:

You are correct that I do not believe that God exists.

I don't believe it is necessary for a conscious entity to have created the universe (i.e. no one did it). Furthermore, if a conscious entity did set the universe in motion, I do not believe it is necessary for this entity to intervene in the workings of the universe thereafter (deism), nor is it certain that conscious beings in the wake of the big bang should have anything approaching perfect knowledge about the origins of the universe (agnosticism).

I believe the big bang is the best theory concerning how the universe evolved, given the evidence.

The Standard Model of particle physics explains the relationship between matter, energy, temperature, time, etc. in the early universe.

Why the big bang occurred at all is a matter of speculation.

Some theoretical physicists maintain that this present expansion is just one of an eternal cycle of universal expansion/contraction. If this were the case, "how did that stuff get there" would be a meaningless question as there would be no time before the cycle, and thus nowhere for the matter and energy to have come from. Also, when you consider that time is inextricably linked to space by Einstein's General Relativity, the same might be said for a one-off, single expansion event.

I disagree entirely with your statement that evolution is "very unlikely". If you meant "life spontaneously coming from non-life", you should have said so. However, you did not, so I can simply point to the fact that your genome is different from either of your parents. Offspring are genetically different than their parents, and thus species change over time; that is the fact of evolution. But more importantly, to make a statistical statement of ANY kind concerning abiogenesis (e.g. "very unlikely") is flat-out impossible. We simply do not know how life began. We have a good idea of what players were involved, but the right combination of these is unknown. We also cannot say how common life is in the universe. There could be life on literally billions of other planets. The point is, we do not have the data and thus cannot comment on life's statistical nature in the universe.

Your criticism of the theory of evolution goes back to the "kinds" argument coming from the Bible. If you really wanted transitional fossils, you would only have to go to a library (or even search the web). Unfortunately, some people are so set in their ideas that one transitional fossil just opens up two more gaps in the fossil record (to them). It's as if they want the smallest slice of a pie and refuse to be satisfied with a slice even an atom's-width thick. That we have decent fossils at all is almost miraculous. First, virtually nothing gets fossilized. The overwhelming majority of organisms will be decomposed completely. Second, we've barely scratched the surface, as it were, when it comes to places to look for fossils. That modern humans descended from the same line as chimpanzees is quite evident in the fossils of potentially proto-human species such as homo erectus and the Neanderthals. The exact nature and lineage of homo sapiens origin is still a contentious issue among paleontologists, but the idea that we are somehow distinct from the lineage that brought about the apes is no longer tenable.

The idea of a deep-sea fish deciding to walk on land one day is of course ridiculous, but only because it is wrong. A shallow-sea fish > amphibian > reptile > small mammal > primate > human transition protracted over millions or perhaps billions of years is more intuitive AND more correct.

Answer 3

So let's take this point by point:

"Atheists, you believe god doesn't exist right?"
As the word is defined, I don't believe in /any/ gods.

"Well if god didn't do it who did"
- I don't know - why do you insist that some sort of 'who' had to be behind /it/? Presuming by "it" you're referring to life, the universe, and everything - why can't it have always existed, the way most Christians claim their god does? What's sauce for the goose and all that, right? I'll take "we don't know for sure, but given what we do know here's our best possible theory" over "oh, some invisible sky-daddy must have done it! my old book says so!!" any day of the week, and twice on Sundays, thanks very much.

"You say the big bang or whatever right? Well how did all those galaxies and molecules and that other stuff get their in the first place? Did it evolve from other stuff and even if it did how did that stuff get their?"
- Do you have even a basic understanding of the Big Bang theory, or any other cosmological theories apart from "Ol' Jehovah must have done it!"?

"And evolution? That is very unlikely."
- Says who? You? On what basis? Put up or shut up, please.

"I believe organisms can evolve to a certain extent to fit their environment or situation, but evolving from a fish to a human? That is just crazy I mean really."
- So because you don't possess any real understanding of evolutionary theory it must be wrong, because you say so? Again, please state the basis upon which you're attempting to refute years of verifiable academic research and study. Just because you say something is implausible, doesn't make it so. Even if you believe it really, really hard.

"Now of course I'm either going to get reported or suspended."
- I doubt that, but you're probably going to get laughed at for your ignorance and insistence that because you can't find a quick-and-easy-to-understand answer to these questions, your god must have been responsible for it instead. How on earth is that *not* crazy?

"But honestly to any atheist answering this question(not trying to take away free speech or anything) but how about answering this question logically and not just bashing me because i'm a christian."
- Perhaps you need to check your premises. Perhaps plug the words "evolution" and "big bang" and "cosmological theories" and "argumentum ad ignorantiam" into google and see if you might actually *learn* something. I doubt you'll be bashed because you're a christian, but I'm pretty sure you're going to get bashed because you insist that because you can't easily understand something an omnipotent supernatural being must have been behind it. That's plainly ludicrous.

Answer 4

"but they wont read a question unless they try and make fun of other religions"

Stereotype much?

"Atheists, you believe god doesn't exist right?"

That is the premise.

"Well if god didn't do it who did."

Why does there have to be a who?What does it matter?

"You say the big bang or whatever right?"

Some Atheists say that.So?

"Well how did all those galaxies and molecules and that other stuff get their in the first place?"

Study much?

"Did it evolve from other stuff and even if it did how did that stuff get their?"

And I suppose a white haired guy sitting on a cloud waving his magical fingers is a better explanation.But, what made God?

"And evolution?"

Yeah, and?

"That is very unlikely."

Yet more prove-able then God is.

"I believe organisms can evolve to a certain extent to fit their environment or situation, but evolving from a fish to a human?"

That is just one analytic view of evolution

"That is just crazy I mean really."

Any crazier then some guy building a boat and putting two of every animal on it with only his family to help him?

"but how about answering this question logically and not just bashing me because i'm a christian"

My answers are worded with the same tone as your questions.

Answer 5

"Atheists, you believe god doesn't exist right?"
It depends on what type of atheist you are. Myself, I'm an agnostic atheist. I have no belief in a god or gods but have no active disbelief. A strong-atheist would say 'I believe there is no god.

"Well if god didn't do it who did. "
Who says there has to be a 'who'??

"ou say the big bang or whatever right? Well how did all those galaxies and molecules and that other stuff get their in the first place?"
Research the big bang and you wont have to ask that ever again.

"Did it evolve from other stuff and even if it did how did that stuff get their?"
See above.

"And evolution? That is very unlikely."
Actually, it is the most well accepted theory for the development of life. It is supported by EVERY even remotely related branch of science.

"I believe organisms can evolve to a certain extent to fit their environment or situation, but evolving from a fish to a human? That is just crazy I mean really."
Research evolution, and you wont have to ask such a question again. Look up 'strawman fallacy' while you're at it.

"Now of course I'm either going to get reported or suspended."
Ignorance is not a reason to be suspended or reported.

"But honestly to any atheist answering this question(not trying to take away free speech or anything) but how about answering this question logically and not just bashing me because i'm a christian."
You first have to ask a logical question, and you haven't.
All I can say is RESEARCH.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Answer 6

First of all, if you don't want to be insulted then don't start out by insulting others. Be a big boy, ask your question, ignore the insults that may or may not come, and seek a legitimate answer. Quit dramatizing and generalizing.
That being said....
I have not read any of the other answers. I can guess what they will say, as this question gets posted a lot. The obvious (but apparently unacceptable answer to Christians) answer is that we either don't know where every single thing came from or that the universe is eternal. There is not one single logical reason to just proclaim that since we don't know that must mean "goddidit". As soon as you attribute any sort of creation to your version of god, the question comes up "who/what created god?". The answer is invariably "god is eternal/god exists outside the physical world/ god exists outside the time and space/we are unable to understand god" or something along those lines. Why, when you replace the word "god" in any one of those lines with matter/space/etc., does the logic suddenly evaporate for believers? Why can you sit back and say god is eternal, yet refuse to accept that the universe is eternal? What logic leads you to that conclusion? Why would anyone logically attribute anything to god? For me, saying "goddidit" only raises the same exact questions as it answers.

Answer 7

So what you're getting at is that because there's no other possibility and you don't believe in the big bang and evolution (which both have an abundance of evidence to support them), then it MUST be god? That's called the "god of the gaps" assumption... because there are scientific gaps in our knowledge, it MUST be god... and that's a silly way to prove something.

Give this site a read through and see how the big bang theory is much more plausible that 'godidit.'

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

It will answer every one of your questions.

I won't try to get you reported or suspended. I'm not threatened by your belief or by your suspicion of MY non-belief. All 'm asking is that you read that site and then ask again.

Answer 8

Just because I am atheist doesn't mean I only choose the big bang. It is yet a theory, perhaps a good one, but still not proven. There are other theories, some, for example, believe the universe maybe was always here. Think of time as a dimension, not a flow. all things we generally think in terms relative to our lives, once you think beyond those restrictions you can see that possibility can seem limitless. Science is here to test every possibility until there is only one answer to choose from. I do not believe in god for that reason.

Answer 9

i could ask u the same thing about "christianity", the bible says where here for like some 6000 years, this universe been around for billions, i dont know what was here before the big bang, do you know what was before your "god", where did god comed from? was he just wondering thru space and just decided to make us? give me a break, i say we have more proof that we have elvoved from something else, not fish, we have skeleton remains of neanderrthals, was that neanderthal jesus? i dont think so, we have dinosuars stuff from millions of years ago,and we also have some evidence that some kind of bang happend, look it up on the web, we can still hear echoes of the big bang thru a scientific microphone, and we have proof that evolution has happend,

Answer 10

"Well if god didn't do it who did"
why does it have to be "who"?

"Well how did all those galaxies and molecules and that other stuff get their in the first place?"
i dont claim to have all the answers, im humble enough to admit my ignorance in that which has, of yet, too little evidence.

"And evolution? That is very unlikely"
that is one area there is far TOO MUCH evidence to disregard...

"I'm either going to get reported or suspended"
no, i dont think you are being abusive, just inquisitive.

Answer 11

What can be more bizarre and unlikely than that everything was created by an old man with a white beard sitting on a cloud.
And you accuse atheists of having crazy ideas.