Anti-choicers?

Question

What are you doing here? There are tons of kids out there just waiting to be adopted by loving, caring, concerned people like yourselves. Sure, some of them may have certain disabilities and/or psychological problems, and maybe some of them aren't white, but they still need you - get going!!

The adoptee being an infant is a prerequisite to adoption, fanofchan?

Who knew?

Good on you, Adoptive Father! :)

JP: Considering your fanatical and hypocritical views on women and birth control, I'm not the least interested in your opinion.

Hypocritical, JP, as in you assert that you place supreme value on even the potential for human life, and women shouldn't even use birth control unless it's a barrier method (if memory serves, and I believe it does) yet it's okay for your sister to be on the pill because of an unspecified medical problem. So her (apparently minor, if a pill can fix it)problem is a sufficient reason to squelch that potential, but a woman quite possibly dying during childbirth isn't reason enough to end a pregnancy that could well end in miscarriage anyway? Please correct if I'm mistaken, though. Because I was quite disappointed the day I began to see you as a mysogynist. You obviously have a brilliant mind, but lately I've seen you as a woman-hater :(

I forgot to add that I *never* dismiss, out-of-hand, opposing opinions. My email is always open.

I much better understand your views on this now, JP. Thank you for taking the time - I really appreciate that - and please accept my apologies for labeling you as a hypocrite. I'm sorry :(

Answer 1

I know couples longing to adopt --- but there are very few babies because of all the abortions.............

Notice how many white people have babies from other races?

My Pastor has three children that were thrown away by parents.............so do two of my closest friends. Don't presume so much!

EDIT: The five children I am referring to were not infants when they were adopted.............I also started a Crisis Pregnancy Center and Women's Resource Center (we provide diapers, food, medical services, classes, clothes for Mother and baby, furniture, etc. free-of-charge) to help women in trouble and I let a young, pregnant woman live with me during a difficult pregnancy. She stayed with me after the baby was born for some time............I am a pro-lifer who has given a lot of time & money to people in this situation - BEFORE AND AFTER birth.

Answer 2

Are you suggesting that every child in foster care is the product of a woman who was in some way denied the right to an abortion...because you seem to be suggesting that the only people who have responsibility for the children of this world are people who do not believe in abortion.
I may not have adopted children, but my life's work as a psychologist has been working with children that have experienced physical and emotional trauma. How do you give back to society...since you are on a soap box...surely you must contribute in a meaningful way?
Before you attack me, abortion would be a wrong choice for me...but I would not take that right away from another woman.

Answer 3

Every single one of 50 states has a waiting list of parents who want a baby. Many of them are willing to pay the mother's pregnancy related medical expenses and are willing to accept even babies with genetic illnesses.

If you look into it, after 18 months of age, adoptability plummets to near zero.

However, what comes out of a woman is a brand new baby, not an 18 month old.

Your assertion is invalid.

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I do believe the pill is immoral as a form of birthcontrol, yes. It allows conception and then destroys the developing human by forcing the cycle into menstruation. Barrier methods are moral because they do not (when effective) allow conception at all -- there is no moral potential for humanity in a sperm or ova until they combine.

My sister is on the pill because she has severe hormonal swings that make her bleed so severely she could very well die without the hormonal control. It's not just some minor medical problem -- her life is in continual jeopardy because of her hormones.

Medically, my sister cannot sustain a pregnancy. Were she to conceive, her own cycles would terminate the pregnancy.

Because she is aware of this -- I feel she and her husband should STILL use barrier methods. Yes, the pill is for a medical reason, but it still potentially allows conception. For them not to use barrier methods, I feel, makes them willing accomplices in manslaughter, since their actions could create a human life even knowing it could not be sustained.

You must remember -- I have always stated that even I hold that there is ONE allowance for abortion: that the mother could not even sacrifice her life to bring the fetus to the age of viability. If the choice is between losing the baby, or losing both, then the baby is already effectively dead and it is permissible to save the mother.

I also will not step in and say what the odds have to be one way or the other -- that is between the woman, her conscience, the doctor, and his/her conscience. Even *I* know there is a point where medical decisions belong in the hands of the patients and doctors.


Remember that I operate on an ethical calculus of human potential. For me, human potential begins at that point that, if left alone, human life would be actualized. That point is at conception and ends with death. Human potential is modified by age and capability -- the mother is of child bearing age and has used up some of her potential, the child she carries is a tabula rosa, a clean slate, and has all of its potential remaining.

As such, to me, the child is more important than the adult. I don't HATE the woman, I just find that in the equation, she is a lesser term. I wish the woman all the best, I wish pregnancy never lead to the painful decisions it all-to-often does. I wish we were all medically perfect.

But we aren't.

There's no hypocracy to this, just an emotionally void calculus.

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It is a heated topic. Words get said that should not. It happens. Apology accepted, no ill-will held.

Answer 4

Already adopted two children, and not because I wasn't able to conceive, but because my ex-husband and I didn't want to bring two more children into this world when there are plenty to be adopted. My 6 year old son has autism, and We knew it when we adopted Him, we both love him to pieces. My daughter was 7 (now 12) when we adopted her and she knows very well that she is adopted and that she had a life before her father and I.

Answer 5

Everyone needs a brown child, they are practically fashion accessories these days! *



*Sorry. I'm brown and I see a lot of humor in this. It's a line from a Law & Order episode, but I really do think it fits some of the mentality now adays. It's not really about actualy doing anything, it's just about the Grand Empty Gesture!

Answer 6

not that it matters.... I was adopted (at 18 months) after my biological parents literally left me in an airport... my brother was adopted after being bounced around for the first 4 years of his life from foster home to foster home... not all who are interested in adopting wait for an infant....

Answer 7

You sound like an angry, bitter and judgemental person. It's pretty easy to sit behind a computer screen and spout things like that off, isn't it? Especially when you're generalizing a group of people like that... sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Now take a deep breath... and let it go. Why don't you worry about what's going on in your own life instead of getting on Yahoo Answers and asking questions just to stir people up... I get on here to pass the time at work... you're a top contributor. That probably means you spend a lot of time sitting at your computer spewing your opinions at people. It's funny... people like you want everyone to be "open minded" and yet you're SO hateful and angry toward people who don't feel like you do. (It's kind of like... everyone is entitled to their opinions, damnit! We're all free to do and say as we please... as long as we agree with you, right?)

We can all sit here on our asses and argue about abortion until we're blue in the face... but why do you really want to hate a group of people just because they don't want to kill an unborn baby? Just because they don't agree with you? So what if you don't agree with them? Why don't you take some of that anger out on the pedophiles, murderers and child molesters?

The people who call themselves Christians and bomb abortion clinics are NOT Christians and, in my opinion, deserve to die a horrible death. We're not all psychotic, bible-thumping, holier-than-thou idiots...

But, sadly, I know you'll have a rude *** response to my answer, just like you have for everyone who didn't agree with you no matter how respectful they were of your opinion. Have fun eating corn chips in your underwear!!! :)

Answer 8

I'm adopted, and I plan to adopt. Are you aware that Christians make up the largest percentage of adoptive parents?

Also, when I do adopt, I plan to adopt an older child, just as I was an older child when I was adopted.

Answer 9

"anti-lifers:what are you doing here, shouldn't you be killing babies?"

putting "anti-" in front of something and using pseudo-logic doesn't get you very far.


fyi, i can't afford to adopt kids. the fact that i oppose abortion is unrelated.


that's like saying all vegetarians should open an animal reservation.

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Answer 10

Fanofcha? You are kidding me right? When was the last time you've seen an orphanage?