So Athiests what kind of *Proof* are you looking for that GOD exsists?

Question

Do you dismiss everything that you have not personally laid eyes on? and since Scientists have not figured everything about GOD the Universe and life out what makes you think *You* have?

I think your denial of GOD is more of a personal choice due to your belief that religions is the cause of all bloodshed...

And if you did believe GOD was the creator of the universe would you still reject Monotheistic Faiths?

Lastly why do you think GOD owes it to you that he exsists? you are going to die and fail to exsist, so isn't your responsibility to seek GOD out? GOD and religion will still be around after you are long gone and forgotten about...

Answer 1

What kind of proof? How about ANY.

Answer 2

>Do you dismiss everything that you have not personally laid eyes on? and since Scientists have not figured everything about GOD the Universe and life out what makes you think *You* have?<

*No I don't dismiss everything I haven't laid eyes on, take gravity, or air for example. I have never claimed to have all the answers and I don't think any other atheist would claim this either.


>I think your denial of GOD is more of a personal choice due to your belief that religions is the cause of all bloodshed...<

*No. To deny something, it has to exist first. There is simply no proof that supports a god existing,and that leads me to my conclusion.

>And if you did believe GOD was the creator of the universe would you still reject Monotheistic Faiths?<

*If given proof, yes I would believe in god, though I certainly don't think it would be the Abrahamic god, and even if it was I wouldn't worship it.

>Lastly why do you think GOD owes it to you that he exists? you are going to die and fail to exist, so isn't your responsibility to seek GOD out?<

*My responsibility to seek out god?....hmmm. What about freewill? Believe me I have searched enough. There used to be a time when I hoped I would find god, but that is long gone now.

Answer 3

I would say the Christian god as it is perceived does not exist. Any religion is probably going to have holes in its argument, some might argue atheism does. I don't think you should let a document from thousands of years ago chain down your personality so I would say, don't worry about if there is a god. Focus on living your life like a good person and being happy. Although personally I would say there is no Deity sitting on a cloud in the sky, (after all the religions of the ancient Greeks seem ridiculous to us now, yet they totally believed them) I would not say that science is at the point where we could prove a lack of a universal law or power or something like that. But I do think that if it turns out that there is a god it will not be anything like what the bible says. But I wouldn't let this get you down, there's plenty of quasi miraculous stuff that is tangible on earth. I'd say that the bible was a way to keep people safe a long time ago before science could tell them why, after all it's so much easier and more effective to say "god says don't eat pork" rather than "actually at this point in history we can't sterilise pork very well and it's dangerous to eat without further technological advances"

Answer 4

I'm not looking for any thing suggesting that a god does or does not exist. If I come upon a truth, that in my eyes, seem to verify that a deity exists, I'll believe in that deity, perhaps not worship, but at least believe.

Now to answer your questions:

If it's your specific god, then any proof would be good I suppose, anything tangible and empirical that is.

It is a personal choice, since I don't believe and my mother does, that seems to imply a personal choice, and no,the reason you gave is not even a reason on why I don't believe.

Let's say I do believe your God did that, yes, I would still reject monotheistic faiths, since I would and still think that they got it wrong.

If your God is as powerful as you say, then why doesn't everyone believe? We would have all the evidence we need, and then some, so there wouldn't BE any atheists. But, there is none, or very little. Yes, I'm sure your religion will be around after I die, and so what? Why should I care?

Answer 5

I knew this had to be a good question when both Gandalf and Radagast weighed in! Now, where is Saruman? Up in his tower contemplating the palantir, I expect...anyway, the question, yes!

I think there is a fundamental separation inherent in the human practice of religion and its impression on a personal God. The God will always reflect the person or that person's ideals. Case in point, "proof" to some atheists is the direction that God should come down and personally do something for them alone, regardless of whether it is inherently consistent with a smoothly running universe. Others insist that amputees should get their legs back. All of these things adhere to one principle. The asker believes they are important, and they benefit humankind. No one stops to consider that maybe a God, if he exists, doesn't find you important at all or even hates you, as Tyler Durden says in Fight Club. After all, all these conceptions of God seemed to be based in anthropic principles, an ego-centered desire. Even altruism is a form of egoism, as the self-negation is conscious and does not come naturally. Love does not seek reward or recognition and it accepts what must be without asking "why."

If there is a God, He is very different from the God that most people I've heard around here speak of--I'm agnostic, but seem to be leaning towards the Deists lately. Oh well--I change daily! Anyway, my point is that, no matter what proof is offered, a verifiable, repeatable experiment that proves God would also define him. Once defined, God becomes something else, an entity, a being, a force, not the God you believed in with blind faith. In a sense, blind faith is necessary for God to exist.

Edit: Ah, 2 thumbs down...at least a couple of folks cared enough to tell me my answer sucked...

Answer 6

I would reconsider if prayer actually worked. But it doesn't. There wasn't even a placebo effect when experiments were done. Prayer doesn't accomplish anything, it's been proven. If you pray to God, Jesus, Allah, or Peyton Manning, you'll get the same results.

So if there was a God, prayer might accomplish something. That would be proof that God could actually do without creating an uproar. (Unlike supernatural things) I wouldn't convert necessarily, but I'd reconsider.

I dismiss evidence that Christians invent, or stretch to create the appearance of a God. (Which is most of it, it seems) I don't think I have figured out everything. I think I know that there is no God. I know evolution happened because so does the rest of the developed world (except us and Turkey)

Religion is detrimental to the development of civilization. The longer we hang on to beliefs about Gods, the further we get behind, scientifically, the rest of the world. Religion does much more than cause bloodshed. It discourages thinking, which is even worse than bloodshed.

If I did believe in God, I most definitely would still reject all religions. Religions drove me to become an atheist. God could not have created something as evil or corrupt or destructive as this, at least if he is a wonderful as all of you say.

I only look for the truth. That's why I don't believe in God. I can't believe God would think that's evil of me. I'm a better person than a lot of Christians I know, but because I search for truth, instead of blindly following something that doesn't make sense to me, I'm the one that's going to hell. If God wants heaven to be a place with people that deserve to be there, he would have different rules. Mahatma Gandhi, for example, is in Hell. I obviously do not consider myself Gandhi, nor anywhere near it. However, if God is fair and just, he shouldn't punish me for thinking, while Christians don't think, they blindly believe.

Answer 7

Have god come down and , in a media and expert witness covered event , regrow one amputated human limb . Now someday , maybe soon , human scientists will be able to do this . Then the religious will credit "god" with it . But for now that is impossible , because there is no All Powerful "god" .
And the immaturity of your questions is highlighted by your asking Atheists ( people who do not believe in god ) if they think god owes it to them to prove he exists .( We don't believe , therefore we don't feel owed !)
If he wants someone to believe without proof then he would want them to be stupid .
And even if this were to happen , we could all use an explantion ( not fuzzy Biblical stories ) of what he wants and why we are here , and why he allowed so much pain and suffering by animals , babies , children and good people due to war , starvation, floods , volcanos etc .

Spacepr , I Answered Crimson's question of what would prove to ME ! I admit the possibility of an sadistic , weak , or uncaring god .( But I do not see any evidence of any god .) But your contention that "god" can only exist with "blind faith" is a proof ( on your part ) that god does not exist . That is saying god is a concept and not real , which I agree with . It is like Santa Clause .

Answer 8

God is the wind in the trees and the birds in the sky, the rain and the snow , the sunshine the bright light ,for darkness will fall over, the crimson effect of the Rainbow, the spectrum of the prism , the full Moon on a Starry night. The green glass the clover.

Answer 9

Well... God can exist... depending on what you define as God... the more you need to show.

So if you define God as the creator of the universe.... then he must exist....but still God can be a process rather than a person. Also what proves that the God who is trying to reach is didn't actually kill or take over the universe that was created by different God.

If you want to define God as all knowing... God might know everything we need to know... but he might not know how to draw a square circle. So that's a challenge!

If you define God as the light, then God is a photon that doesn't exist in dark rooms...etc

Honestly.... not many believers can actually define what God is.... so yeah... what do you define as God?

Answer 10

The story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears will still be around long after I'm dead, that doesn't mean they existed.

If God is benevolent, but punishes people horribly for not believing in Him, it seems odd that he would fail to give us some incontrovertible evidence of His existence (not just the anecdotal "evidence" of the Bible).

Part of the reason that I don't believe in God is because there has never been any evidence that any non-physical beings or phenomena exist, let alone God. Part of it is that I've never seen any evidence of God, but part of it is that I believe the very idea of such a complex being existing before everything else is illogical. The second someone can give me a valid reason to think otherwise, I will reconsider my position. Are you that flexible with your beliefs?

Answer 11

There is a difference between denial of God's existence and not believing.

You also need to become acquainted with an argument flaw known as "God of the Gaps". True, scientists haven't figured everything out. That's negative evidence of knowing everything, not support that god exists.

Simple unambiguous evidence of God's existence would be a great start. Something that's not based on the writings of long dead writers.

Science requires things be repeatable. Nothing in theistic religions is such.

You may consider such arguments presented on this forum about flying spaghetti monsters and belief in Thor as being ridiculous, but have you really tried to consider their point - i.e. that they are no more disprove-able or supported than the god of Abraham.

I am not trying to alter your belief or faith, but to consistently assume people who don't believe in an invisible, immaterial god which has no unambiguous evidence to support his/her existence are fools is to be disingenuous.