In Germany german shepherds need a schutzhund title to breed, is this true for dobermans too?

Answer 1

All clubs have their own rules and regulations and I have yet to see a dog, any dog that was not exported to America, that was not titled before breeding.
People in Europe look for different things in a dog then people do here, and the proven ability of a dog to work is one of them. I could not imagine someone having a Doberman and not titling the dog before breeding it. I am sure the registering organization would have something to say about that too!!

Answer 2

Germany has mandated minimums that are imposed by the specific breed clubs and have to be followed in order for a litter to be registered with the FCI -- these minimums are just that, minimums and a responsible breeder will do much more than is mandated but unfortunately, there are unethical people throughout the world that will meet 'mandated minimums' through dishonest means that will make having such minimums a virtual farce. The specific breed clubs will have things like health tests and temperament evaluations or sport titles that they mandate. In Dobermans they have requirements for hips and eyes (which aren't really that big a health issue like some of the other deadly things that responsible breeders in any country would test for) and a breed survey with a specific rating -- these breed surveys are sort of cursory evaluations of structure and hardly equate to a proper structural evaluation and a dog with even a somewhat minimal structure can be deemed suitable, and a trained evaluation of temperament -- sort of like a mini-schutzhund protection routine to see if the dog can be trained to run and bite a sleeve, can tolerate being around people without eating them, can deal with being left without their handler on a tie out and to see if they can deal with some noises. I am not sure but I was thinking that one of the parents had to have at least a SchI as well, but that might not be so. Either way that is simply for the puppies to be registered with the DV in Germany.

BTW, being able to title minimally in a sport in no way, shape or form equates to a dog being capable of 'working' -- it is about if the dog can be trained to be obedient and that is all. There are dogs that can and have been essentially forced to title to a SchI that have marginal if not totally unstable temperaments so that alone hardley equates to a good 'working' dog -- the 'work' of a Doberman is to be a reliable, confident companion protection dog -- has nothing at all to do with the sport of schutzhund particularly since a lot of schutzhund dogs require being maintained in specific ways in order to even get them to title and those ways don't always inclube being constant and trusted members of their families. To believe that the two are in anyway connected is false on face.

add: The sport of schutzhund is inclusive of three phases, tracking, obedience and protection. The breed survey for Dobermans in Germany is known as the ZTP and in the US is known as the FFB.

Answer 3

My Rotti has his Schutzhund 1, 2 and 3 titles. His father was the VDH world Champion for 4 years. The breeder I got him from lives over in Germany and trains for all of Europe's Police force. The sport of dog training and dog competing is HUGE over there! Mostly in Germany they train, Dobermans, rottweilers, and Germany Shepard's. Schutzhund has VERY strict rules for their dogs, down to now you can not crop their tails.

So since my dogs parents both had Schutzhund titles I would think so. And the titles range from different things, they can be tracking, obedience, or protection work. Over there it's not like here where their is puppy mills. In Germany you can not artificially inseminate a dog, and many puppy mills do just this, they have also huge rules for how often the dogs can produce a litter. Schutzhund is the #2 biggest sport after Futbol over there.

Answer 4

I think everyone answered this already so no need me wasting my time nor yours.

basically, its a title for achievments. You can have a bulldog get a title if he was able to complete the tasks.... Those dogs are chosen is b/c they are more able than other breeds. Not to say another cant. Its just a little easier with certain breeds over others.

The usually have clubs around. You should go check one out and get more involved. That is the key, involvement. It'll be a fun experience.

take care

Answer 5

I think they just need as BST. Breed suitibility test. That covers conformation, health and proven ability to work. I have seen some import rotts that do not have Sch titles, just BH (basic handling) and no BST, but the idiots (not true breeders) over here think because they are from Germany they must be good. They buy them and breed them and sell them to unsuspecting people, they are true backyard breeders....
To me that is like saying since they got a Chihuhua from Mexico it is better that one that is from here....