Psalm 146: 3-4- Does this verse prove there is no conscious existence after death?

Answer 1

No. If there is no consciousness after death how was Lazarus in Abraham's bosom or the rich man in Hell? All these verses mean is after man is dead his plans for himself or others. What ever he intended to do here on Earth is gone and ended.

The problem with certain groups is they build a doctrine on one or two verses and do not take the whole of the Bible into account.


Contrary to fireball's answer Ecclesiastes does not teach that. You really need to read on to the next verse. It says they have no more portion in anything done under the sun. These just means they have nothing left to do with things being done on Earth.

Answer 2

(Psalm 146:3-4) Do not put your trust in [human] nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.


Yes.

Here are some supportive Scriptures:

(Job 14:10-14) An able-bodied man dies and lies vanquished; And an earthling man expires, and where is he? ...Man also has to lie down and does not get up. ...O that in Sheol ["hell"] you would conceal me... That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service [unconscious in the grave] I shall wait, Until my relief comes [during the resurrection].

(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

(Ecclesiastes 9:10) All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.

(Isaiah 38:18) For it is not Sheol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness.

Answer 3

It might indicate that the author of Psalms 146:3-4 did not believe in conscious existence after death, but it certainly does not prove that there is no conscious existence after death.

Answer 4

YES. Gen.3:19;

Psm.104:29,30;
Psm.115:15-17;
Eccl.3:19-21; 12:7;
Job 19:25,26; 34:14,15.
Isa.26:19;
Eze.37:12-14;
Dan.12:2;
John 5:26-29;
Acts 2:27-35;
Acts 24:15; Just and unjust resurrected, no torture alive in a burning hell.

John 3:13-17; No one went heaven but Jesus, until he prepares a place at
the time of the end. John 14:3; Rom16:20; Satan down, under feet of the
raised up at the last day Rev.3.4.6-11,12; when Satan has a short time.

1Cor.15:22-28,51-53; As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Every man in his own order. Heb.12:22-24; Rev.3:12; Mark 13:27 [ the gathered ]; and John 6:39,40,44 [ raised up at last day ]; to 1Thes.4:15-17 [ caught up to be with Jesus ];
Rev.20:1-6,12,13;
Rev.21:1-5; 2Pet.3:13; The heavenly for the new heavens, the earthly for the new earth.

Answer 5

How can this mean what you are saying? This says that powerful people of the earth are of no benefit to you when they are dead. They die just like everyone else. It is the Lord God on whom we should depend
Ps 146:3 Don’t put your confidence in powerful people; there is no help for you there. 4 When they breathe their last, they return to the earth, and all their plans die with them. 5 But joyful are those who have the God of Israel as their helper, whose hope is in the LORD their God. 6 He made heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them. He keeps every promise forever. 7 He gives justice to the oppressed and food to the hungry. The LORD frees the prisoners. 8 The LORD opens the eyes of the blind. The LORD lifts up those who are weighed down. The LORD loves the godly.
9 The LORD protects the foreigners among us. He cares for the orphans and widows, but he frustrates the plans of the wicked.

TAKE IT IN CONTEXT.

Answer 6

No. There is consciousness in both hell and heaven as the heavy evidence of Scriptural passages bear. In hell those who are judge to be there are said to be tormented day and night forever and ever.
There is this thing only that the dead does not know anything about the living, just like we the living does not know anything whats happening there now in hell. But in the dispensation of the fulness of time, God's children knows and so conscious with each other because there will be no more barrier like us now who are just simple finite full of sickness human beings as a result of that sin imputed to us from Adam and Eve.

Answer 7

Blessed is he whose hope is in the Lord his God, the Maker of heaven and earth... God is telling us to put our trust in no man......He encourages us to trust in Him only

I'm sure you're wondering. "Just where do we go when we die?" Don't go running to get this answer from your preacher, teacher, friend, pastor, or priest. Just go back in the Bible to find out. It is were you should always go when you're in question. However if you do at times have to go to a person for answers, always verify it in the Word of God before making any final decisions! Don't trust me or any man! Go to God's Word for the final answer and you will never go wrong.

So...where do we go when we die?

Simply stated, the Bible teaches that death is the opposite of life.

At Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, we read: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going."....

This means that the dead are unable to do or feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, nor do they remember anything.

When a person dies, he is asleep and knows nothing until the resurrection. The righteous will be resurrected at the first resurrection - - - when Jesus comes. And the wicked will be resurrected at the second resurrection

Revelation 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

I hope that this helped you out any...???

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Answer 8

No, what conditional immortalists and annihilationists are sadly ignorant about in their interpretation of words and phrases for doctrinal purposes dealing with death and the grave when they read the Bible is the strikingly progressive nature of awareness the Biblical authors had regarding a resurrection. For example, any Psalmist outside of David, who had unusually early knowledge of such, having been directly informed by God about it (Psalm 16:10), would not be privy to such information during these earlier stages in redemptive history. The Psalmist was going only by what he or she perceived with the physical eye (the same issue with the writer of Ecclesiastes), having no inspirational knowledge about a resurrection to come. It is why the words "vanity of all vanities" were chosen by the "Teacher" in the book of Ecclesiastes to describe our very brief life as it is, and having to look forward to the grave in the end.

In contrast to this, during the intertestamental period (between 400BC up to the time of Jesus' ministry) any readers of the Bible, the Apocrypha (the hidden books written during this period), and other apocalyptic literature of the time would have noticed a drastic and progressive change in awareness of a resurrection to come from the time of the OT authors. The majority of the Jewish leaders at Jesus' time, such as the Pharisees and the scribes, all believed in a resurrection to come. Of course, the Sadduccees didn't. Why? And this is my point, because they didn't believe that the written words of the major and minor prophets (from Isaiah through to Malachi) were inspired of God, like the Law of Moses was, being the first five books of the OT). The Prophets speak much about a Messiah to come; inferring, if not explicitly describing life anew in the afterlife, as well as eternal suffering (Isaiah 66:22-24).

Another thing that is a huge error on the part of the conditional immortalists and annihilationists (as well as sadly the translators of the KJV in many places) is their interpretation of the Hebrew word "sheol" and the Greek word "hades". However, the former appear to always define these words as "the grave". However, the Chaldean lexicons of the Hebrew language, definitions for vocabulary words, such as "sheol", come from the vast rabbinical literature throughout the ages in the history of the people of Abraham. And there you will never find this word translated as "the grave". Rather, there are 4 other Hebrew words to describe being six feet under. The word "sheol" in Hebrew is defined as "the nether world", coming from two roots "under" and "world or place", and it is also defined as a place where souls go after death. Many OT authors describe this state of being as actually conscious! (However, I don't have these references right off hand, but would be glad to give then to you later).

The NT Greek word "hades" is used almost interchangeably with the word "sheol" in literature. Hades was a place, before the historical events of the death and resurrection of Christ, where both the righteous and the unrighteous went after death. According to the OT prophetic books and the rabbinical literature of the intertestamental period, the word "Paradise" and/or "Abraham's bosom" was where the righteous went, leaving us to believe that there were two separate places in sheol or hades, one for the saved and one for the damned. It does appear that this is the exactly the case when the Bible reader encounters Luke 16:19-31, the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

Then, during the time of Christ's death, His resurrection and ascension, He, according to the Pauline and Petrine epistles (Ephesians 4:7-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-19) brought all those righteous to Heaven with Him, but leaving all those damned in hades for the final judgement to come (Revelation 20).

Answer 9

A line of verse cannot prove or disprove anything. The only way to test that theory is to die. People who have died and come back say differently.

Pim van Lommel's studies have indicated that consciousness exists while the physical body is dead, though, proving that consciousness is not local to the brain.

Answer 10

If there is no existence after death, What was Jesus Christ sent for? And why was He raised from the dead...Why did He tell the man beside Him on the cross,"Today you will be with Me in paradise?There is Life after death...Just where will you be?