How can anyone say there is no proof of God?

Question

The existence of Universe in and of itself is proof.
The existence of Life is proof.

The proof of the Creator is the creation just like the poem is proof of the poet. Just like a song is proof of the composer. Just like the sculpture is proof of a sculptor. Just like architecture is proof of the architect.

How then can any rational person conclude that there is no God.

Samari Jack - That is a question you will have to answer for yourself. In the mean time, could you earn your 2 points and actually answer my question? Concentrate, focus, you can do it .... or can you?

Answer 1

They refuse to think. They try to turn the question around to avoid answering your question. It's simple, really.

Answer 2

It is that very flawed logic which inhibits the scientific community. It's a common belief that if something is 99% verifiably true, then the other 1% must be true as well. This reasoning is perfectly sound in standard day to day living, which is why its a common idea. But, its reasoning like this that allows con artists to exist, cults, etc etc. As I often say, the greatest lie is the one shrouded in truth.

By the same token, you presume that the universe is comparable to a poem, or a composer, or a sculpture, or an architect. The problem with that comparison is those things don't change. A poem, if left alone and not torn to shreds, will be the exact same hundreds of thousands of years later. By the very nature of the piece, it HAS to have been created.

Life, and the universe, are different, though. They are ongoing processes that change. A herd of horses left alone for a hundred thousand years WILL be different than the original breed. Marginally, or significantly, regardless, still different.

To use a cliche', you're comparing apples to oranges. Life and the universe Could have been made by a supreme being, but not necessarily so. They could also have theoretically been made by the big bang. And no one claims they just "fell into place." Natural processes slowly guided them there over eons.

We can easily say there is no proof of God because a logical framework of observable phenomenae exists without any interference from a God figure, and nature today shows no sign of divine interference. There is no proof that God doesn't exist, but neither is there proof that he does. Either viewpoint is potentially correct. Thus, no proof either way.

However, scientists prefer to avoid any thinking within the spiritual and metaphysical, so tend towards the side where evidence lies. Thus, against God: since there is no evidence for him. Again, not that they are necessarily correct: it is just their way, to believe in evidence.

Answer 3

The thing is, the existence of the universe proves that, YES, it had to have come from somewhere. But that somewhere could be anything. There is no proof or likelihood that the "somewhere" was the Judeo-Christian God or the Muslim God or whatever the Hindu creation belief is or anything that any religion claims. Just because the universe and the earth and life exist, that is not proof that God, as described in the bible, is the creator and that heaven and hell and angels and all that stuff exists.

Of course the universe came from somewhere, but where or what that is is totally unknown. Throughout history people have made up lots of fairy tales about where the world came from, and those fairy tales are called religions. People claim that God has spoken to them, but it's far more likely that those people were just crazy or lying and/or that the written accounts of it all have been over-blown.

Answer 4

Existence is proof of nothing other than the fact that things exist. It offers no indication of an intelligent creator or any conscious guiding force. Quite the contrary, actually, considering the random and chaotic nature of the universe.
And even if your point was valid and existence did somehow indicate an intelligent creator, how could you possibly infer specific characteristics about it? Extending your metaphor, religion is like seeing a sculpture for the first time and saying: "The fact that this sculpture exists is proof that it was carved by a guy named Nick twenty-three years ago. In February. Nick is a 6'1", 213-lb. blond man from North Dakota who walks with a limp. He likes raspberry sorbet, hates broccoli and his favorite movie is North By Northwest. And he wants everybody who views his sculpture to do so while standing on their heads and reciting the Boy Scout pledge."

Answer 5

It's easy. Repeat after me .... "There is no proof of God".

The existence of the universe is proof of the universe.
The existence of life is proof of life.

The existence of a rock shaped like a bowl is not proof that someone made a bowl. It is proof that there is a rock with a hollow in it.

If we had proof that there was a "creation", that would be proof of a creator. Unfortunately, we have no proof that things were created.

If things can have explanations other than God, one cannot assume that there is a god. We understand that matter can come into the universe without someone creating it. It has been shown in laboratories. We have not "created" life in laboratories, but we have a plausible explanation as to how it could come about through natural processes.

Science doesn't have the luxury of saying "I don't know, therefore there must be a God." Some religious folk might say "We don't need to know that .... God did it", but those attitudes will not increase our knowledge. Those attitudes would have left us bound to the Earth. We weren't meant to fly, right? If God had wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings.

Science searches for answers. In gaining those answers, we grow. Dogmatic adherence to faith stifles growth and is a thing to be avoided.

Answer 6

even if they want to, there is no way for them to prove the non existence of something that can exist outside our galaxy.

so even if they can argue about any known religion, they cannot argue against a religion that believes in an invisible all powerful being.

the only thing they can argue with is the claims of those who believe.

for example if a person claims this being is omnipotent..
well the human concept of omnipotent may not reflect the being that is represented.

EX: An all GOOD deity cannot tell a lie, Thus something this deity is not capable of doing, in the end NOT omni Potent.
In that matter there is a contradiction in nature.
But most people throw around the word omnipotent even though the bible never used it.. So that concept doesn't apply to the biblical God.

In the case of evil and suffering, how an all good deity can allow it or maybe even cause it..

This concept has been discussed about 3 times on this website already but in summary.

God is going to end evil and suffering and he didnt start it with evil and suffering.

Him not preventing it is not him being the cause of it.
Preventing a person's existence would be spiritual abortion
and making a person cease to exist would be spiritual murder.
but segregating uncooperative people from the rest who do accept rules boundaries and limitations.

(I have a whole explaination for hell but to simplify, pain in hell is not cause by God but rather his absence [since people rejected part of God they rejected God as a whole, including his comfort]
thus in this case is like rejecting bread and feeling pain in hunger,, the hunger was not caused by the food but rather the lack of food, which was never the fault of food)

As for ending evil and suffering, he is willing and capable, the question is his timing.
In this case is giving people more time to repent so more can turn away from their wickedness.

This does not rule out the fact that he can replace whatever a person can lose during the process a thousand fold, given that he gave their life to begin with. Including eternal rewards that he can provide, our mere 100 years of suffering even if we suffer from the beginning to the end, he is more than capable of compensating anything we can ever complain about.. He is justified.

If he simply did 2 things, it still would not be enough.

1
if he ended all natural disasters by fixing the earth that was damaged from the flood. (flood happen because of human evils)
even if the earth was cleansed we would pollute and abuse it and in a few decades we would have another broken world again.

2
if he ended direct human evil
he would have to end human acts of evil
human speech of evil
and human thoughts of evil..
thus no choice, we would be robots.

A way to have this is to wash those who want a second chance
and those who are too proud to accept it would be segregated from society, just like we already do.
obviously we cant just annhialate them into non existence, thatll be like murder as mentioned a few paragraphs before.

Grace and Peace. In Christ Yeshua.
Baggs.

Answer 7

Poems don't write themselves, buildings don't build themselves, but the universe, as far as we have been able to see so far, is self-replicating and self-sustaining. So God isn't in the details - water can make snowflakes all by itself.

But did some superior being at the beginning of time speak all this into existence? It makes a nice story, but seems like a cute anthopomorphosis of an otherwise incomprehensible event.

What is particularly unpersuasive is the usual jump cut from "there must be a higher intelligence" to the attempt to sell the jealous and demanding Old Testament blowhard who is given to temper tantrums and fond of blood sacrifices, and the Jewish radical alleged to be his son, as creators and masters of the universe.

A rational person concludes that there is a lot that is beyond our comprehension. Papering over the dark places with folk tales is just a self-comforting mechanism.

Answer 8

Proof, as I keep telling people that tell me to prove it, is something that can be reproduced in a scientific lab. Can you make God in a lab? Can you copy creation OR the big bang in a lab? You can just be dreaming the things you see are there. Can you prove they are there like you see them?

God must be accepted by faith or not at all. People that believe there is NO God also have faith. Their faith is that there is no God. God is spirit. Mankind is physical. Never again will the two be one in this world so we have to learn to live with it.

I believe with all of my heart there is THE GOD of Heaven and Jesus was His Son. That is faith. There is NO proof in this world.

Answer 9

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.So-shall it be! Amen."the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken; "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angles with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heavens to the other.Every heart will melt and every hand go limp; every spirit will become faint and every knee become as weak as water; it is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord."

Answer 10

my dog and I are just hanging out and I'm reading him the questions and he is answering so here is his answer under my banner

He says, it is point of view.
while God gives light to one to see his work in creation, the other man wants nothing to do with God and so he does not see it.

My dog says even genetics declare God made that (my dog is not a christian, just a theist) but people dont see that either.

He suggests chasing some cars for fun and he points out, that even if the atheist were to decide that maybe there is a god, he would have to ask god to remove the blinders on his eyes to see. But he thinks they won't do it, because they would look foolish in their own eyes.

Answer 11

poets use pencil and paper, scupltors use clay or marble, paintors use canvas brushes and paint. so if you want to follow your line of thinking, what materials did god make people out of? since science seems to be able to measure the temperature of the universe 3 minutes after the big bang, creationists should have some vague notions about 'how' it's claims might actually happens.

some other things to ponder,
god made light on the first day (but no lights sources yet)
god made plants on the third day. (still no light sources yet)
finally god made the sun and the stars on the fourth day.

i think its clear that people didnt know about photosynthesis when they wrote the bible... hmm, and this is all on the first page.