Take this quote, bc i think it says alot.
"the greatest cause of Atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world finds absolutly unbelievable."- DC Talk.
Alot of crap goes on under the name of Christianity. But i do not totally agree with SuperAtheist. I dont think Christians are the ones doing the greatest damage, but alot of damage is done by people who consiter themselves Christian.
2007-10-31 15:27:12
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answer #1
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answered by kf 4
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I am an atheist, not a super atheist though if there is such a thing. But I think many (not all) Christians cause harm by intolerance and hate towards others. They also reject so much scientific information that explains causes for things such as gays. Probably the worst thing is all the divisions in Christianity. Last I looked 642 denominations of Protestants alone divided by minor issues. I'll pick 7th Day Adventists (sorry I think a relatively minor issue) They think other Christians wrong because they have their Sabbath on the wrong day and begin and end it at the wrong hours. 2000 years down the line, a day or two may have been missed. Who knows? The proper Sabbath might really be Wednesday. Brings it up when Christians say something, please list your affiliation. I know 3 definitions of Trinity as well as a rejection of it. Like to know your beliefs better with affiliation so I can relate better to your beliefs. I may be athiest but not exactly illiterate or unlearned.
2007-10-31 15:39:00
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answered by genghis1947 4
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There's such variation in personality and character among people. Some people who call themselves Christian aren't; or they are, but they don't walk the walk well. And historically, people known as "Christian" caused a lot of problems, but so did people who weren't identified as Christian. Soviet atheists have caused their share of trouble too.
SA is speaking of a particular group of people at a particular point in time. He seems rather naive in that he doesn't understand that power-hungry people will join up under whatever banner they can in order to aggrandize or enrich themselves. I'm sure there were quite a few Bolsheviks that were in it for the power, and not for the cause of Marxism. Nobody likes to be on the losing team.
It's equally clear that the modern politico-Christians aren't in it for the cause of Christ (the recorded Jesus was rather indifferent about politics and stated that they were extrinsic to His mission of instructing people about the kingdom of heaven) but about using religion as a confusing cloak for their nefariousness.
I think SA should say, "It's the modern Pharisaical movement that is doing the greatest damage to our societies." In fact, what is needed is clearer thinking about what is happening, who is doing it, why, and under what guises. Author David Kuo has already exposed how shallow and insincere many of these so-called Christians are; it is what led him to resign his position as a Bush politico.
Yes, let's bring back the word Pharisee.
2007-10-31 16:17:18
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answered by C R 2
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Some atheists may feel that way. Personally, I do not care if you have a god or god/s. If you believe in a god you need to share your views in your place of worship, or utilize your after church activities. That is your right of free choice. No problems with that. It should not go any further. Your church friends and acquaintances are good for you and most probably assist you in your quest to know your god. Again, no problem.
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Outside of your church services and activities your views and opinions are not to be taught to anyone who does not want - or has his/her own views on the subject. This includes placing ideas of a creation of your god in a school environment. The reason is: public schools have children that have different faiths and beliefs. Catering to just your belief in a god is a travesty of ones freedom of religion. You can have your ideas of a creation by a god in your church - it should go no further.
A public school is an open society, many different views and beliefs. Schools are under state and government controls and are paid for [including teacher salaries] by tax payers. I personally do not believe your religious views, but you want me to accept and pay for them. Schools teach math, science, English, arts and more. They were never set up nor considered places to teach religion or its views. There are specific schools for purposes of religious education.
This is pure logic, nothing more. As for damaging – Christian religious views are not the only ones, under the constitution everyone is free to believe as they choose. A dead god with nothing to offer society is a foolish idea. Humanity needs to grow and learn of itself and become better. When you take or try to take that away you help no one. You need to realize that science has given you and me many advantages, medicines when we need them, TV sets, cell phones, computers, cars, airplanes – and endless stream of advances that you are certainly taking full advantage of, and can not deny it.
Christians want to end any human advancement with one book, which was written for peoples who were here 2000 years ago. How does that advance or assist a society? How does that assist in medical technology or any other scientific technologies? People who lived 2000 years ago did not know about protons, how or what a disease was, photosynthesis – absolutely nothing of nature in the way we understand it today, in fact, they feared it. And, the oil that shot out of the earth – had they known the value we place on it today – things might have been very different.
2007-10-31 16:12:52
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answered by Tricia R 5
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With pleasure. Read this: "Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies", at
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
You only have to ask.
CD
EDIT: For the avoidance of doubt, as some appear confused, I mean that it is Christians who do the damage in the countries that most people here inhabit.
In the Middle East, for instance, it's Islam.
It's just a matter of numbers and influence.
2007-10-31 15:27:31
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answered by Super Atheist 7
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Sorry, but you neither make the rules for who is considered Christian nor can you eliminate people who call themselves Christian because you disagree with them. There is zero proof that your way is the right way so you cannot eliminate anyone who claims to be a Christian.
2007-10-31 15:39:30
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answered by meissen97 6
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SuperAtheist is super wrong. It's certainly not Christians who are damaging our societies. Generalizing like that causes much more harm than good.
SuperAtheist also needs to do some legitimate studying and research before spouting again.
2007-10-31 15:44:07
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answered by N L 6
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This society, the American one, is not being turned into a Wahhabist monarchy. There's not much of a Sharia lobby. Nobody's advocating mandatory Ganesha worship. No one is trying to change the law to forbid sales of alcohol on Purim.
But some political Christians in this country are trying to change laws to legislate their morality. And that's damaging to a society centered on freedom of expression and conscience.
2007-10-31 15:29:45
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answered by Doc Occam 7
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Why say that, look at all the other "religions" that do things in the name of their God/Gods. Atheist just want to pick on Christians, because there are some of us who are willing to pick up and throw stones, just because they dont believe. I myself am not that way, I love everyone.
2007-10-31 15:25:35
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answered by lynjen31 3
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when we fought for women's rights... who's the first to say that women belong bare foot and pregnant?
when we fight for control of our bodies.. who is still killing abortion doctors and blowing up women's clinics?
when we fight against race discrimination... who is the first in line to oppose it....
when we fight for equal rights for everyone including gays... who says no?
When they enter a different country and say they are there to help.... yet the first thing they do is put down the people call them unworthy heathen and when these people are facing hardship make them bow down to their christian idiology before they help?
Who has no respect for the diversity of culture of individual societies and peoples?
who walks around like they know it all, yet bash all intelligent observation simply because it's not from their theology?
Why is it we have little understanding of what spirituality is? Why is it we don't understand the workings and nature of our own planet? Because christians have sought to monopolize and manipulate every society on earth... destroying every natural civilization.... they consume every bit of information ... destroy the people accumulating this knowlege.... or discredit them... then after the source is dead return the information twisted to serve their theology.... Spirit on the planet has a purpose having nothing to do with religion what so ever... And the way christians hold us back from the answers nature intended for us has pushed us outside natural cycles... if you don't think that's has a great impact.. look at the trees, insects, animal life, birds fish... all these thing if attacked by an illness need no doctors, or human help... because nature is capable of healing environments... but when it comes to humans.. we get sick... we get cancer... the strains of viruses getting stronger.. aids.. all these things if our medicines heal one 10 new ones pop up... why because with all their our god is all knowing BS, not one religion respects nature... not one religion... so nature and religion are totally incompatible... and since religion is a chosen behavior and not a neccessity of life... nature has ceased to care for the human race... practicing religion is like chosing slavery (to human... for every god ever known to humans is a human him or her self)... over freedom... and if humans are stupid enough for that and would fight for that.. and betray the earth for that.. then the earth is better off without them... not only is nature capable of evlution but it also does natural selection and if we don't start changin we'll see what that means as the humans start fading from the earth.
2007-10-31 15:43:57
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answered by Gyspy 4
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