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I see Jehovah's Witnesses ridiculing the "mystery of Trinity" but they have the mysteries of their own.

I know many others ridicule Trinity too, but it irks me when self claimed Christians do that.

2007-10-31 15:08:09 · 11 answers · asked by Nina, BaC 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Michelle Chang: Trinity is not the mystery to real Christians. Triune character of God is throughout the Bible.

It is mystery to people who do not know God personally

2007-10-31 15:28:40 · update #1

Trustdel: There is only one true God. The Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit is the same one true God.

2007-11-01 04:52:38 · update #2

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Hey, the marital institution ordained by God is one of many of His analogies one can find His creation of spiritual truths. The Apostle Paul says that it is of Christ and His Church in Ephesians 5:25. He also says that it is a mystery unveiled to us; so does that make it not a mystery anymore? And if it still is, does that make it a spurious claim amidst the faithful? Of course not, since we are just getting a glimpse of this mystery unveiled for us in the New Testament.

This is similarly with our Triune God. It is clear that God would have to be the Father (Initiator of all creation and recreation (redemptive) acts), the Son (the One sent by Him to do them), and the Holy Spirit (He is the One Who enlightens the pinnacle of His creation, all humanity, to Whom God is and what He has done in Christ). Humanity is powerless to even respond to God, due to sin, let alone understand Who He is and what He has done. It is why these economic aspects of His character revealed to us in three personages is so absolutely vital for our salvation. It is pretty evident from this to say that unless one believes that God is only our salvation, and not in any way we ourselves, they will not be able to see the necessity of God being Triune in nature, and accept it as orthodoxy. Therefore, if one argues that there is no Trinity, which is clearly understood from the inscripturated Word of God (John 1:1,18; 14:26; 16:14; 20:28; Acts 5:5 ; Revelation 1:13-18, etc.), let alone from just these aforementioned necessary economic aspects, they are in danger of rejecting this miraculous gift of salvation offered to all.

2007-10-31 16:42:26 · answer #1 · answered by Tom 4 · 2 1

The Watchtower is not inspired by God. The Bible is.

The Wt has over the years had so many mistakes in dogma and teaching that your question becomes mote.

The fact that a lot of good material has been written in the Wt shall be admitted. It does not excuse the going beyond what is written in the Bible that also occurs, the mental handcuffs that all members are shackled with.

That some 'Christians' are unable to meditate on the Bible without reading a Wt is just proof again that all churches demand control of their members minds.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In regard to the trinity there is this to say. It is the teaching of other churches as tyrannical as the Wt, or worse.

It is an anti-Christ teaching, and those teaching it belong to the anti-Christ.

For proof see my web site at my profile. There are many pages and a great many scriptures proving this abomination false.

2007-10-31 15:18:20 · answer #2 · answered by Fuzzy 7 · 3 2

John 1:1 (King James Version)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:1 (New World Translation)
In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The Jehovah's Witnesses needed to make their own Bible because the Authorized King James Version does not support what they want to believe.

2007-10-31 15:18:15 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

In answer on your unique question "Does the Governing physique worry the internet"... on an identical time as i'm no longer a member of stated team, i does not think of so, from now on than maximum folk worry autos, television, doggies, etc. As for the remainder of your "rant" no i does not say this is "genuine". i've got examine various claims on right here that Witnesses do no longer even pass on line. Which of direction is in simple terms laughable. Is it genuine that Witnesses, as Christians, and for that remember, human beings of *on the least* some intelligence, are careful on line??? You wager. Is determining to be careful on line a "Witness" element??? NOPE. examine maximum/ANY tech magazines or books coping with the internet, and you will discover Repeated warnings approximately being careful on line. As for the a transforming into form of laughable "rev"s remark approximately Witnesses in many cases going surfing in pairs ... oy ... i think of there comes a factor the place IDs quit bothering to attempt to make their accusations look genuine. no longer until now, that comparable identification the two suggested hoping Witnesses could quickly commit suicide, and then greater at present suggested the Earthquake as being greater/much less a solid element because it in all possibility killed a lot of religion(s) different than his. How unhappy.

2016-11-09 21:52:10 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

He doesn’t. They do not claim to be profits. They believe he will mold the organization over time and that no one is directly inspired. The Watchtowers are not Bible substitutes. The Governing Body of which you speak is a bunch of older men that keep things together and track time spent preaching etcetera. They are not the elites you make them out to be. They can be dismissed by non-body members.

2007-10-31 15:40:58 · answer #5 · answered by AEH101 3 · 0 0

Here are the terms that you dogmatically believe regarding the Trinity.

God-Man, God the Son, Triune God, Three persons in one God. These terms can be easily worded in the Bible but where never written in there. And Trinitarians believe in those as if those are written in the Bible.

Gen 17:1 states “, then Jehovah appeared to A´bram and said to him: “I am God Almighty”

Now, please use your understanding,

Do you use the phrase “I am” for THREE persons or you only use it for ONE Person?
If God is composed of THREE persons, God should have said “WE ARE God” but you cannot find that it the Bible, don’t you?

You never use the phrase “I am” for THREE Persons. I am is only used for one person.

JESUS said to the Father also in John 17:3, that the Father is the “ONLY True God”, this means there is one and only one person who is God, the Father. and this is confirmed in 1 Cor 8:5 where is states “6 there is actually to us one God the FATHER”.Notice the Father only. Notice also in John 17:3 Jesus excluded himself as the only true God. Instead of saying “We are the only true God” JESUS said “YOU (referring to the Father), and not US” as the only true God. Now are you against Jesus?

Now, if the Son is Jehovah, the Father is Jehovah and the holy spirit is Jehovah according to the Trinity doctrine, then these THREE PERSONS, are THREE Jehovah.

But the Bible says in Deut 6:4 Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Notice in Deut 6:4 it used “IS” and only ONE person is involved. If there are three Jehovah then it should have used ARE for THREE persons.

There is ONLY ONE JEHOVAH, who is God Almighty.


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You said “The Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit is the same one true God.”
First of all, I don’t know if you noticed, but you used the verb “IS” to refer to THREE persons. The Bible doesn’t agree with you and your English teacher will fail you. You use ARE for three persons.

What you stated “The Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit is the same one true God” is not found in the Bible nor supported by it. Again you are going against Jesus, when he said that the ONLY True God is his Father.(John 17) If there are THREE persons then it is not ONLY, right? Also, Why do you think Jesus excluded himself and the holy spirit as the only true God in John 17:3 if there are three persons in one God?

The phrase “I am” is only used for ONE person NOT THREE persons. God never said , even once, “WE are God” . Why can’t you understand this?


Another question for you, is the word “God” a collective noun just like the word family?
Do you use the word “I Am” for family, like saying “I am the Smith Family”? That is wrong grammar. You use “We are” in that sentence. So the word God is not a collective noun. There is only one person in God, that’s why he says “I am God Almighty”




The trinity is just flatfly wrong, the Bible doesn’t support it nor teach it.

2007-11-01 04:35:09 · answer #6 · answered by trustdell1 3 · 1 1

I have not seen the trinity ridiculed any more than the farcical doctrine deserves.
My favorite reaction I have had when trying to reason with a person about the trinity using the Bible, is the back-peddling statement "the trinity is beyond human comprehension".
That one cracks me up so much, I wonder, if it's 'beyond comprehension' then it;s quite possible it could be wrong.
At John 17:3, the Bible says that everlasting life is to know God, and the one he sent forth.
So if the trinity is 'an inscrutable mystery' how can one at once say "I know God, he is unknowable".?

2007-10-31 15:11:24 · answer #7 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 6 3

JR and Michelle Chang need to go back and read the Watchtowers...The governing body claims direct channel to God....They claim that they are the only voice of God in he World....they have even claimed direct vision form god and been wrong..It is time for you to stop questioning those of us who are Christian who KNOW a great deal about where your Organization is headed, and start Questioning the theology that is unchristian that you have been spoon fed, all of your lives.

2007-11-01 03:29:40 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 4

He doesn't put into the minds of whats being printed, the WatchTower is just inspired by his divine word the Bible.

2007-10-31 15:18:37 · answer #9 · answered by VMO 4 · 3 2

The members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are certainly not the only Christians who are led by holy spirit, or whose surroundings can be affected by the angels. Details about which bible topic to discuss when in The Watchtower seem quite within the grasp of human elders, of course.

Of course, the bible is the only responsible source of doctrinal information about God, Christ, and the future. Bible truths are hardly "mysterious", and a bible student would be irresponsible to allow confusion over a handful of verses to obfuscate much larger bible teachings.

Ironically, the shaky foundations of trinitarianism rest on dubious misapplications of perhaps ten bible verses. By contrast, entire passages and important bible concepts literally require Jesus the Son to be a separate person from God the Father. Who created Jesus? To whom did Jesus pray? Who resurrected Jesus? At whose right hand does Jesus sit?


Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their worship is a restoration of biblical Christianity, as practiced by the apostles and first century Christians. They recognize Christ himself (and the apostles to a much lesser extent) as the "foundation" of true Christian worship. Of course, the bible teaches that God Himself is the "builder".

(Isaiah 28:16) Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation.

(Acts 4:10-11) Jesus Christ the Nazarene... This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

(Revelation 21:14) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

(Hebrews 11:10) the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which city is God.


Really, it is the bible rather than any human tradition, catechism, or post-biblical writing which can reveal the truth about Jesus Christ.

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians; they teach that Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God. What does the bible teach about Jesus?

Jehovah's Witnesses understand the bible to teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!

Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him


Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

Learn more!
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_05.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/
http://watchtower.org/e/20020515/
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_03.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/index.htm?article=article_04.htm

2007-11-01 05:36:35 · answer #10 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 2 1

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