Things About Evolution?

Question

I'm writing this here since there are SO many Evolutionist who "hang out" here.

Do you believe in spontaneous generation, which was proven to be false?

Why don’t scientists ever talk about the Cambrian explosion where a myriad of different species of animals appear fully formed — thus CONTRADICTING the Evolutionary tree of life?

Our earth is so precisely placed that even a one percent variation closer to or farther from the sun would make life impossible – we would either burn or freeze to death.

Enzymes can only be produced by living cells, yet living cells ABSOLUTELY require many specialized enzymes in order to survive.

I'll have more.

“To get a universe that has expanded as long as ours has (an assumption) without collapsing or having its matter coast away would have required extraordinary fine tuning. A Chicago physicist calculated that the odds of achieving that kind of precise expansion...would be the same as throwing an imaginary microscopic dart across the universe to the most distant quasar and hitting a bull’s eye one millimeter in diameter.” National Geographic, (June, 1983), page 741.

“Darwin is liked by Evolutionists because he liberated science from the straitjacket of observation and opened the door to storytellers. This gave professional Evolutionists job security so they can wander through biology labs as if they belong there.” David Copperedge: Speaking of Science, May/June 2003

Comets disintegrate rapidly as they approach the sun, most surviving less than 100,000 years. Many comets have typical ages of 10,000. (Science says the age of comet material is similar to the 5 billion year age of the solar system) and for those who say “Well what about the Oort Cloud?” I have but one question… since you’re all about seeing things with your own two eyes, have YOU ever SEEN this cloud?

Many strata are too tightly bent. In many mountainous areas, strata thousands of feet thick are bent and folded into hairpin shapes. The conventional geologic timescale says these formations were deeply buried and solidified for hundreds of millions of years before they were bent. Yet the folding occurred without cracking , with the radii so small that the entire formation had to be wet and unsolidified when the bending occurred. This implies that the folding occurred less than thousands of years after deposition.

There are not enough stone-age skeletons to account for the approximately 4 billion Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon people that evolutionary anthropologists say lived during the 100,000 years of the stone age. Yet only a few thousand skeletons have been found implying that the Stone Age was much shorter, a few hundred years in many areas.

The earth’s magnetic field decreases by half, every 1,400 years. Careful measurements worldwide show that the strength of the field must have been much greater in the past. That’s fine 6,000 years ago, but if you go back just 2,000 more years, there’s a problem: EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD would have equaled that of A MAGNETIC STAR; that’s HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

When oil well drillers hit a pocket of oil deep in the earth, it’s possible it might spray crude oil into the air for days - even weeks - because of the tremendous pressure trapped below Earth’s surface in those sedimentary rocks. Even the densest sedimentary rocks have some degree of porosity. With time, the oil pressure would dissipate into the surrounding rock formations — taking just thousands of years, not millions. Tremendous pressures aren’t unusual in very deep wells, and if those oil deposits had been there for more than 5,000 years, in some cases there wouldn’t be any pressure left.

For any creation or upward development there are three things that are absolutely necessary
1. A PROGRAM to direct the growth
2. A MECHANISM to energize the growth
3. A PROTECTION SYSTEM to sustain the growth

The next is what Christians have a hard time with.

The Evolutionary Recipe
1. UNKNOWN CHEMICALS in the primordial past. . . through . . .
2. UNKNOWN PROCESSES that no longer exist. . . produced . . .
3. UNKNOWN LIFE FORMS that are not to be found. . . but could, through
4. UNKNOWN REPRODUCTION METHODS, spawn new life . . . in an
5. UNKNOWN OCEANIC SOUP COMPLEX . . . at an . . .
6. UNKNOWN TIME AND PLACE

Why are there are NO fossils leading up to the duck-billed platypus?

Could the person have been Ahmed Ahdoody?!

One writer observed that “The soil which sustains life lies in a thin layer of an average depth of seven or eight inches over the face of the land; the earth beneath it is as dead and sterile as the moon. That thin film is all that stands between man and extinction.”

Now, how long does it take for topsoil to accumulate? Scientists estimate that the combination of plant growth, bacterial decay, and erosion produces six inches of topsoil in 5,000 to 20,000 years.

If the earth has been going on about the same as it is today for millions of years, one wonders why there isn’t a whole lot more top soil than there really is. There should be hundreds of feet of it! Maybe this is just another sign the earth just isn’t that old.

“To get a universe that has expanded as long as ours has (an assumption) without collapsing or having its matter coast away would have required extraordinary fine tuning. A Chicago physicist calculated that the odds of achieving that kind of precise expansion...would be the same as throwing an imaginary microscopic dart across the universe to the most distant quasar and hitting a bull’s eye one millimeter in diameter.” National Geographic, (June, 1983), page 741.

Amazingly, LEADING EVOLUTIONIST astronomer Robert Jastrow indicated that it will be necessary for science to come to terms with the supernatural. As he puts it: “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends in a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

I have looked outside the box and what I see because of Evolution is THE HOLOCAUST!!! What about the Columbine shooting? One of the gunmen, Eric Harris wrote on his website “YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE??? Natural SELECTION! It’s the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms”. His autopsy revealed that on the day of the attack, he wore a shirt emblazoned with the words “Natural Selection”. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who planned their rampage for a year, paid homage to their hero, Adolph Hitler by carrying out their killing spree on the 20th of April, Hitler’s birthday. Oddly enough, Hitler was a follower of Darwin’s.

Answer 1

These questions were answered word for word last week, all four of them on one question just the same as yours, as were they answered in previous weeks. This means that you got them off of a creationist propoganda site and are incapable of forming your own arguements. Regardless, here are some quick answers as to why your arguements are all BS.

1. Scientists have very thouroughly discussed the cabrian explosion, its old news and in fact very much supports evolutionary theory as this is roughly the same period that we see sexual reproduction as opposed to replication... this of course heavily favors genetic mutations and therefore, evolutionary theory.
2. The margin for error on the earth is actually quite a bit closer to 20%, not the less than one percent creationists claim. Mars, if the right size and mass, would be able to support human life with an atmosphere. Ironically, the moon is more important to life on earth than location (within that 20% margin).
3. Enzymes are a product of evolution, they were not a part of life in early lifeforms, but rather responsed to massing cell units, just as eyes, vocal cords and opposable thumbs are. This is because of natural selection, and once sexual reproduction started producing mutations, the strongest mutation per environment survived.

As for comets, size and shape as well as proximity to heat will factor into their dispersion... it is illogical to say they survive less than 10k years without adjusting for these factors as well as variences in trajectory... as well as formation factors inside/outside of the solar system.

I'm not even going to start on the geological fallacies of your 1000> arguement, there are too many to type here.

Topsoil, oddly enough, is not only created but depleted just as readily by other biological entities. Trust me, a took a whole class on soils, thus the lack of "thousands of years" of buildup. Consider the biological cycle before regurgitating this arguement.

The entire arguement of universal dispersion of matter is largely (well, lets be honest, entirely) conjecture. There are far too many factors to include to even come close to making the assumptions you have asserted. I would also venture a guess that it did not include dark matter (the missing evidence of the big bang recently mapped) and as such excluded 80% of the projected mass of the universe.

To say that atheism results in violence using the same tired arguements that we've heard a million times would still be less devastating than the billions killed in the name of a god. Merely a drop in the hat when you look at it. Yet, what we should note is that it wasn't atheism itself at fault, but ideas promoted or thrust upon from religious individuals or alternate ideals. Also, it is noteworthy to acknowledge the counterculture of atheist hate so prevalent in religious areas.

Don't mean to come off as harsh, I just wish people would read the answers they ask for so as not to repeat these questions over and over. Unless you are not actually looking for an answer, in which case you can give the best answer to whoever says "yeah, right on, go god!" instead of those whom actually answered your questions. I hope thats not the case and you are legitimately looking to learn, in which case I apoligize for the harshness.

Answer 2

1. Yes, the theory of spontaneous generation has long been proven to be false. No modern scientist will say that this is how life started. Now abiogenesis is used by most as the origin of life.

2. The scientists do talk about the Cambrian Explosion and how it fits the evolutionary model. If you don't accept that the CE fits with evolution, then you either don't understand evolution, or don't know what the Cambrian Explosion is.

3. The earth fluctuates its distance from the sun by about 3% each year. So according to you, when we are at the closest or furthest from the sun, we are dead.

4. Don't know what you are getting at with enzymes and cells. Modern cells are not what all life evolved from.

Answer 3

I was taught this religious mumbo jumbo in school (private). All these points are easily explained or refuted with a simple search.

When you start with the basis that "god did everything" it's hard to look past it and see things for what they really are. I will admit that science doesn't have answers for everything, but they are constantly searching. If they just gave up and said "well. god did it" we would still think the earth is flat and bleeding people is a proper means of medicine.

Try and look outside of that box you live in. It's OK to question why things are they way they are without feeling guilty that some sky daddy is going to punish you, because he doesn't exist. Get rid of the guilt. . . then you can truly question and see how ridiculous religion really is.

Answer 4

Fisrst of all I don't know where you get your facts, but it seems that they are simply repeated from "Creationist" texts. You should personally look into each one and verify them from other sources before you espouse them as facts, if you don't do that then you hurt God by making your fellow Christians look like idiots. The magnetic field question would be a good one to start with. Also, as a fellow Christian may I ask a very important question WHY DOES IT MATTER? Do you honestly think it will convince one single person to commit himself to Christ. If anything it will turn them off especially if a single thing you said turns out to be erroneous. That's right instead of helping you are hurting and how are you going to justify that before God. "Well I wanted to be right in an argument, with atheist and evolutionist" What will God say to you about that?

Answer 5

The only point there relating to evolution is the bit about the Cambrian explosion. The reason that so many new forms are found in the Burgess shale is that it marks the first real appearance of multicellular life. The possibility of 'macro' life suddenly opened up a myriad of new niches, and life quickly filled them.

Answer 6

Taking the fact of evolution into account, if there were a creator, it would have to be even more "evolved" than us (a being who created the entire universe would have to be an extremely advanced, complex being).

But then who created this entity and how would it have evolved to such complexity? This is taking into account that _evolution is necessary for the creation of a complex being_.

To add, evolution isn't classified as a belief (i.e., it isn't based on faith but observance).

Answer 7

Rather than answer your question in its entirety, I'll just point out, based on the length of your addenda, that you've obviously made up your mind about this, and are just using your question as bait. But, just for starters, do a little research on the Cambrian Explosion, and you'll discover that things aren't as simple as you make out. There are examples of transitional fossils, for example, that I bet make things kind of inconvenient for you.

And are you sure that enzymes can only be produced by living cells? Or are you just writing that because you read it on a creationist website? I encourage you to look it up.

Answer 8

Spontaneous generation was proven false, probably with the peanut butter theory, but generation of amino acids, the building blocks of life, has been proven true. Also, the generation of nucleotides as well has been proven. And I am sure you were there in the Cambrian explosion to see that those species APPEARED FULLY FORMED. What might have happened on an evolutionary scale or geoligic scale several hundred million years ago cannot even begin to be understood at this point in time. You seem to think that earth was precisely set to generate life. It set itself where ever it happened and life formed simplely because it was at the right spot. You are absolutely correct, if it was off by a few percents life could not exist. But it is brain dead fundies like you taking a few facts out of context to support some wild *** theory. You think we were set here by god and he set up things precisely for us. We formed here because it was the best environment, not because god liked you personally. Another fundie-ism. Enzymes are not produced by living cells, but different aspects of cells use them. And enzymes can be produced on their own just as amino acids can.

You seem to think that the universe is not collapsing. It might be. It might even be expanding especially once the Bell scientists in the 1950's discovered the ends of the universe and discovered that it was still expanding in relation to us.

Darwin did not like evolutionists since they did not exist in his life time. There were many controversial lectures and discussions, but "evolutionists" did not come about until much later. And David Cooperage speaking in 2003 would not know who was alive and what they thought 150 years ago. Yes as a matter of fact I have seen, through telescopic instruments, the Oort cloud. Have you SEEN GOD?

The geologic timescale said that the strata was buried. There is no way anyone can date when it was bent. That is another fundie-ism.

In recorded history there have been hundreds of millions possibily billions of people die and there skeletons do not exist in this day and age. Salmon after spawning die and their skeltons, by the hundreds of billions, disolve into the environment, just like skeletons of humans, proto-humans and dinosaurs. That a few are preserved is almost unique.

The earths magnetic field has been shown to have been reversed several times in the distant past which would cause the magnetic field to have completely collapsed. Also, once the field got too strong the magnetic flux from the sun would have effected it causing unknown situations.

Please show me the mathmatics of the poristy of rock and crude oils effect on it. You have simply made statements that sound nice. In the Sahara desert water can be found under pressure and yet it does not permeate the surrounding rock structure.

There were not any unknown chemicals in the primordial past, only fundies refusal to accept that idea since it does not fit with their model. There are no unknown processes that no longer exist, but there are processes that are no longer necessary and therefore not in wide existance. There are not unknown lifeforms, but lifeforms that have ceased to exist, many of which have happened in our recorded history and even within my lifetime. There are not unknown reproduction methods only not fully documented and proven reproduction methods. The ocean soup complex can never be known, but it can be shown what it probably was since they have been able to create life from it in the laboratory. Given a few billion years and a few trillion times as much "soup" life could very well have been created.

There may not be any fossils leading up to the duckbilled platypus since it may be an evolutionary tree all on its own. There are no fossils leading up to the Tuatara on New Zealand since it is considered a living fossil. It has a direct link to dinosaurs 250 million years ago. There are others as well. Again another fundie-ism, taking a small insignificant fact and creating an entire argument out of lunacy.

The AVERAGE layer of soil MIGHT be a few inches. In deserts there is none. In rainforests where they produce extreme amounts of life it is only 3 or 4 inches deep. Some places have hundreds of feet. Another fundie-ism unfact.

Ther are idiots abounding throughout our world. That you pick one idiot out of billions of people to make a point is another fundie-ism.

Answer 9

Have you read some of the answers to this question? "The Cambrian explosion can be explained by the development of multicellar organisms being introduced to sexual reproduction instead of replication." That does not explain the lack of fossil evidence leading up to the Cambrian explosion or why these "multicellar" organisms were advanced, extremely complex organisms. One point you over looked where the number of trees that have been fossilized through various strata layers throughout the earth. Strata layers are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of years apart yet there are buried trees that have trunks with extend through several different layers. Did these trees grow for hundreds of thousands of years?

Answer 10

Who eats trilobites ?
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Seriously .
You're God ,You're designing a world that is solely meant for the people you created to live on . Why would you bother to put things like crinoids, stromatolites ,The Great Unconformitiy ,The KT Boundary , overthrust belts and such things into your world ? The human beings living on the surface have no need for such things so why include them at all ?

Answer 11

There is no such thing as an "Evolutionist", anyone using that word is usually a Theist, most often a Christian.

Atheists just don't believe in god(s).

The vast majority of us are not in fact scientists. I know, its a bit of a shocker, but you will get over it.