Christians, atheist arguments shot down?

Question

Here is another argument from an atheist:

"If Christianity is the one true religion, if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and you burn in Hell FOREVER when you die, then why didn't Indians in America know about Jesus until about AT LEAST 1,500 years after he died (some took much longer)? This is NO small detail?"

Here is my rebuttal:

Who's to say Indians didn't know Jesus in their own way? You are assuming.

Also, God used missionaries to tell people about Jesus. If it took over 1,500 years, then it is not the fault of God. It is the fault of missionaries.

You could say that God will not send Indians to Hell for not accepting Jesus. Atheists say why give these people free rides to Heaven?

I say that the Lord works in mysterious ways, but make no mistake. He IS wise and fair and the decision He makes will always be the best. No one knows what will happen to the people in the past, but NOW you have no excuse. The word is out there.Open your hearts.

Your thoughts?

Also, we are NOT God. We do not know all the answers. To attack someone for not knowing EVERY SINGLE ANSWER is child like.

Answer 1

Would the partisans of Christ have set out deliberately to lie? Were they such barefaced charlatans that they concocted falsehoods and deceits merely to advance themselves and their designs? By their own admission, YES they were. They may well have been believers, in that they held to a certain faith. On this was built the fanaticism either to die, or to kill others, for that faith. But faith absolves the believer from any fidelity to objective truth.

Religious fantasy advances in small steps by which those who already ‘see a higher truth’ help the less gifted to achieve that sublime state by using various devices. In Jewish tradition, one such a device was ‘midrash’, the teasing out of new, contemporary meanings from antique, sacred texts. By such means, the scribes could resolve a current issue by interpreting what the scripture had ‘really meant’ all along. Was that a lie?

False accreditation was another much used method, common practice during antiquity. Most of the texts in both the Hebrew bible and the New Testament were forged in the names of their authors to give them ‘authority.’ This merely helped others recognise 'the higher truths' presented to them. Who could argue with Solomon, say, or Apostles of the Lord?

Once the Church had grabbed mastery of much of Europe and the middle-east, its forgery engine went into overdrive.

'The Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony "relics" of its "Lord," "Apostles" and "Saints" … There were at least 26 'authentic' burial shrouds scattered throughout the abbeys of Europe, of which the Shroud of Turin is just one … At one point, a number of churches claimed the one foreskin of Jesus, and there were enough splinters of the "True Cross" that Calvin said the amount of wood would make "a full load for a good ship." ' (Acharya S, The Christ Conspiracy)

Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556), the tireless zealot for papal authority – he was the founder of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) – even wrote:

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

The Reformation may have swept away some abuses perpetrated by the priesthood but lying was not one of them. Martin Luther, in private correspondence, argued:

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."

– Martin Luther

Answer 2

Well I am not going to speak about the Indians, they have their own views and beliefs.

But your claim "Who's to say Indians didn't know Jesus in their own way?" I think you both make assumptions.

God uses missionaries? It is the fault of missionaries. One statement discards the other. If god uses missionaries then they are under his control. Am I missing a point?

Atheists do not believe there is any heaven or hell so that - a free ride there? Highly disputable.

The lord works in mysterious ways, but make no mistake, he is wise and fair? So what's the deal with the missionaries then?

The word is out there? Who's word do I take, Christian, Islamic, Jewish? Which word? What word?

Open your hearts? My thought - open your mind.

Your arguments are as feeble as the ones the atheist is using. He must be new on the block or misunderstood whatever you were saying.

Answer 3

"Who's to say Indians didn't know Jesus in their own way? You are assuming." Well, considering that the Indians had their own religion with an entirely different belief structure and and a completely different story about the creation of the world, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that they didn't "know Jesus in their own way". What way would that be? They didn't believe in the Judeo-Christian God and they never heard of Jesus. Their belief structure had nothing to do with anything even similar to that stuff.

And you're saying it was the missionaries fault that they didn't get to the Indians for 1,500 years? Dude, they didn't have the nautical technology to get across a giant ocean. It's not their fault. What were they supposed to do? is it our fault today that we don't have space ships that can take us to other galaxies to teach aliens about God? The people back then didn't even know the Indians existed, even if they did have the technology to get to them.

If God created the whole world and all the people, it makes no sense that he wouldn't reveal himself to humans until over 10,000 years into their civilized existence. And then, when he does finally reveal himself, it's to one guy in the middle east. So then thousands more years go by that only the people in this one small region of the world know about the one true God. And then he sends Jesus to the same region and requires that ALL people have to know and love God and Jesus to get into heaven, when the people on the other 80% of the planet never heard of any of that stuff. It's so silly.

Answer 4

1) The example atheist didn't give a source.

Your rubuttal:
" God used missionaries to tell people about Jesus. If it took over 1,500 years, It is the fault of missionaries. "

Okay..what missionaries are you talking about?
And the rest is just unintelligible.

Your response?

"I say that the Lord works in mysterious ways, but make no mistake. He IS wise and fair and the decision He makes will always be the best"

You know what? I think I'll stop. BS right there.

When you say "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it's obvious it means you have no answer to the direct question.

Answer 5

So you are saying that those Indians had to pay because the missionaries failed to tell them on time? Hmm...

You say now you have no excuse? To educate you a bit, there still are tons of people who have not heard of Jesus in many remote areas on earth "Today"! Do those people go to hell because the missionaries have failed to reach them? Go and ponder. And oh...have accepted Buddha, Muhammad and Ghandi yet? The word is out there, so there's no excuse!

Answer 6

The reason why many did not know about Jesus or the bible is because of the era of spiritual darkness. When the papacy was in power during the 16th century. If you know your church history you would know that the bible Scriptures were kept hidden and surppressed during these time. And those who knew of God's true Word were said to be heretics and following this acusation was of course the inquisition. For hundreds of years circulation of the Bible was prohibited while the bishop of Rome and his authorities lead false doctrines and claims, that the pope is the visible head of the universal church of christ, the belief in purgatory, sef- exaltation made by the pope saying that he is the only way to Christ. But God has appointed no man to be the head of the church. This was a false claim and a representative of satan himself. The doctrine of papal supremacy is directly opposed to the teachings of the scriptures. And no pope can have power over Christs church except by usurpation. A little history on why many did not know of Jesus and the Scriptures themselves. God Bless.

Answer 7

You need some kind of evidence that the indians actually knew Jesus before you can claim they did. So far there is no evidence that the Indians knew about Jesus. The Buddha didn´t know Jesus either, and the Buddha was quite the clever guy and born well 500 years before Jesus.

So, I don´t bash here, but if you want to be taken serious about christianity, then you need to get your use of logic straight. I recommend the study of logical fallacies to help you.

Answer 8

I find it humorous that Christians know every intent of God until they get confused by questions then all of a sudden god works in Mysterious ways. Is that just when they can't think of an excuse for what they believe?

Answer 9

Seems to me that the Indians were doing just fine until the godly Europeans came over. They massacred them, gave them blankets infested with disease they had no natural immunity to, killed off their food sources and essentially starved them to death. THEN they had the nerve and gall to remove them from their rightful land and placed them on reservations.

It also appears to me that these godly men are the ones deserving of hell, dontcha think?

Answer 10

Yet again your post fails to deliver that which you advertised in your title..

When are you going to learn your opinion isn't fact, your arguments are fragmented, incomplete and cause harm to your stance?

With a cheerleader like you christianity doesn't need detractors you are doing a marvelous job of running it into the ground all by yourself..