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I am with this guy that is Jehovah Witness and I am not, Im Christian. We are not married yet but one day we will. Well we have talked about some things about his religion and it came to having a Christmas tree and celebrating Christmas with our kids. He straight out told me NO. If i was to put up a xmas tree he would trash it. I told him what about my beliefs and having our kids experiencing the holidays. Again he says NO. Prove it to him that in the bible it says to celebrated xmas. Does he have the right to do this? What can i say to him other than saying....yes there willl be a tree and me and the kids will be celebrating xmas!!

2007-10-29 15:43:45 · 20 answers · asked by ms_socali 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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my friend I feel for you, you need to either convince him of the falsehood of his religion or end the relationship.

have you asked him about Christ yet.. not god .. just an angel
how about 1975.. ask him his stance on your children going to college ..

He will work endlessly to convert you.
he will gang up on you with the Elders.

Then you will learn the really good stuff like how you must obey him without question.
you wont be able to hang out with your family due to them being bad association.. of course you might want to ask him about that..

And God forbid your to be children ever need a blood transfusion, because he will happily let them die ( yes HE WILL LET YOUR CHILDREN DIE )

2007-10-31 07:24:51 · answer #1 · answered by Wondering Faith 2 · 2 3

A true Christian wouldn't celebrate Christmas if they knew the true origin of it. Your boyfriend is a Jehovah's Witness and they dont celebrate Christmas or any other holiday like Halloween, Thanksgiving, Easter, Birthdays ect. Every other holiday is like Christmas if only you would take the time to look up their origins you would see most originate with Paganism or have some moral or spiritual aspect of it that would prevent a true Christian from getting involved in it in the first place.
And you can't prove it to him in the bible that is says to celebrate Christmas because it isn't in there! As a matter of fact, No where in the Bible does it make mention of any Christian celebrating their birthday nor that of Jesus Christ. The only birthdays mentioned in the Bible were that of Kings who were ENEMIES of God and both resulted in an innocent person's death. If are familiar with reading the bible you'd recall the account of Pharoah , Joseph and the Baker in which the Baker was beheaded. (Genesis 40:2,3,20,22) and another account of an Egyptian ruler -King Herod who had one of God's servants-John the Baptizer beheaded. (Matthew 14:6-11). All scriptures are inspired by God for teaching, reproving , for setting things straight. (2 Timothy 3:16,17).
Do you really think God would want us to celebrate such a custom?
Please do some research on the origins of these holidays and you will see for yourself.
Here is a reference about the origin of Christmas on the online encyclopedia britannica: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9082431/Christmas
*note:specifically the third paragraph.
Hence, A sincere Christian would not get involved in this tradition.
Your boyfriend is doing the right thing on refusing to observe this pagan holiday and he only wants you to do the right thing as well. Even though he doesn't have the right and can't force YOU to , He has a right to teach his children his beliefs.
In my honest opinion I dont believe it would be wise to get married in this situation if you absolutely cannot agree with each other, let alone have children. It seems that this is a major conflict between the both of you. It will only cause strain on your marriage and family life. Neither of you would be truly happy.

2007-10-30 17:28:24 · answer #2 · answered by ? 5 · 2 0

Since this is a major sticking point, it sounds like you two should not marry. Marriage is about compromise, and it sounds like the two of you will not be able to compromise on this issue.

I have known couples who do not share the same religion, yet they compromised and got along very well. One couple I knew were Seventh Day Adventist and Jehovah's Witness. Quite a combination! But, they compromised.

While you both are Christian, you share different beliefs about holidays and birthdays. And there's nothing wrong with that.

The Bible says nothing about celebrating Christmas. The term Christmas was not coined until centuries after Christ's birth. And, the Bible wasn't even dreamed of until centuries later. Both you and your boyfriend could find scriptures to prove your both points of view, and it would not serve any purpose.

2007-10-29 22:55:35 · answer #3 · answered by nymormon 4 · 2 0

Baby he's not going to do that. JWs know good and well not to celebrate pagan holidays like Christmas.
Christmas is not in the Bible. If you are a Christian and you believe that the Bible is the INFALLIBLE Word of God, then you have to know that:

1. God nor Messiah EVER said to celebrate His birthday
2. Verses point to tree decorating as something pagans do.
3. God says don't worship Him like the pagans worship their Gods.

Your man is smart.
There are alot of issues I have with BOTH factions -- Christianity and JWs, but on this HE is right.

You shouldn't be dating him anyway. He shouldn't be dating YOU, anyway. The Bible says you are to be equally yoked. The Bible says you shouldn't split your household on religion.

And THIS is precisely why.

See? God knows what's good for us even when we don't know what's good for us.

Conclusion: One of you should convert.

2007-10-31 14:39:08 · answer #4 · answered by dreamgyrl360 4 · 1 0

I know you have some feelings for this man and you really care about him. And I'm going to guess that he feels pretty strongly about you, too. And it's easy to look at marriage as with love, we can get through anything. If that was the case, why would so many people end up unhappy or divorced?

But, take it from a person who has been married for over 18 years. It's easy to want to marry someone. The real question you should ask yourself is:
SHOULD we get married?

ALready, you see some differences of opinion. In particular, you see differences in religion. Are you prepared for your kids to be raised as Jehovah's Witnesses? If he's a typical JW, your kids (and you) will be expected to attend His services. It doesn't sound like he is willing to compromise, does it?

Think and pray about your decision carefully. There is a reason why God says not to be unequally yoked. And unequally yoked doesn't necessarily mean Christian marrying a non-Christian. It can mean someone who is not prepared to share the yoke with you. Are you prepared to make a covenant before God until death do you part with someone that you have some huge differences of opinion?

Realize this: emotions change over time. These issues can become huge later on. And you don't want to be in a situation where you will later regret your decision.

So, for both of your sakes. Please pray about this decision and ask for wisdom from God to see if this is in His will to marry this man.

I have this feeling that these differences will cause some major problems for both of you.

2007-10-29 23:16:24 · answer #5 · answered by Searcher 7 · 6 0

Once again I say that after studying religions and the bible the Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones doing what the bible says. The background of Christmas is very unchristian and the bible says that God can be offended by what the holiday has its roots in.

2007-10-29 23:05:48 · answer #6 · answered by Dally 1 · 4 2

It doesn't say to celebrate Christmas...

Listen, if he can't compromise to let your kids(who are not even in the picture right now) have some fun with the holidays...then what else will he not compromise on?

2007-10-29 22:46:26 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

If I were you, I'd seriously try to learn as much as you possibly can about this religion BEFORE you marry him...he sounds very dedicated to it. And the Christmas tree debate will likely not be your last "point of contention," trust me. You won't be celebrating ANY holidays, no birthdays, either. A Jehovah's Witness won't back down from this. And they believe in saving the souls of those they love...so it will be a night and day "battle" ...a mission...for him to convert you and get you baptized and going to church with him...preaching door to door (which, by the way the church considers is a woman's job, not a man's)....oh yeah, and you'll have to be subservient to him, too, you won't be allowed to have any authority...not in the home, not in the church. He honestly believes that if he doesn't convert you, you WILL go to hell (let me clarify that "hell" is a state of non-being...not fire and brimstone or torture), and if your kids aren't converted, they will go to hell (Sheoul is what they call it if I remember right). Your argument over the tree is only a small little red flag over the many arguments to come. So my advice would be, write down your questions about this religion, and ask them. You have a right to know what you're getting yourself into. It would be best if you know these things before you get married, so that you can make a decision about whether or not you can abide by the ideas of this religion. Don't think he's going to settle for you not being a Jehovah's Witness...remember, it's their main purpose to "save" (recruit) as many followers as possible. He's not going to just leave you alone to pursue your own path. That goes against what they believe in.

EDIT: They don't believe in accepting or giving blood transfusions, either. In fact, they will let a loved one die before they allow this person to receive a blood transfusion when they need one. You might want to ask him about that, too. Also, you can't be a baptized JW if you smoke cigarettes. The only "holiday" they have is called a Memorial, and it is a church service in commemoration of the death of Jesus. (They do NOT celebrate his birth.) And, they also believe wholeheartedly that we are living in the "last days"...the end is coming soon...some even have a set date/year for this to "happen." (Though it's been set before, and passed without the "end" occurring at the "appointed time.")

Good luck!

EDIT: Wow a thumbs-down for speaking the truth? I thought good Christians were supposed to tell the truth. To the person who asked the question: you don't have to take my word for it. Ask him, ask the elders or other members of the church. They'll explain these things to you. I'm not making any of it up.

EDIT: For clarification, the Jehovah's Witnesses idea of "hell" is not a place of fire and brimstone. It is a state of simple "non-existence." You cease to exist.

EDIT: And if you talk to the elders, ask them why women are not allowed to be elders in the church.

2007-10-29 22:53:58 · answer #8 · answered by It's Ms. Fusion if you're Nasty! 7 · 4 3

If you are Christian then why are you celebrating a Roman God's birthday?

Search: Christmas Pagan Origins

2007-10-30 15:33:32 · answer #9 · answered by keiichi 6 · 3 1

Even though it's not written down in the Bible,
Christmas is still a tradition that many people in the world celebrate.

I don't see why he should degrade your tradtion.

and many of us seem to forget that the Bible was written by humans... ever heard of human error?

If it makes you happy, then why not?

2007-10-29 22:53:58 · answer #10 · answered by whatever21 4 · 2 1

Yes.

Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians, which is why they do not celebrate Saturnalia (otherwise known as "Christmas", as its propagandist advocates have come to call it).

Jesus was not even born in December. Nearly all so-called Christmas customs dishonor Christ.

(Jeremiah 10:2-5) This is what Jehovah has said: "Do not learn the way of the nations at all... 3 For the customs of the peoples are just an exhalation, because it is a mere tree out of the forest that one has cut down, the work of the hands of the craftsman with the billhook. 4 With silver and with gold one makes it pretty. With nails and with hammers they fasten them down, that none may reel. ...the doing of any good is not with them."

http://watchtower.org/e/19981215/article_02.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20001215/
http://watchtower.org/e/20041215/article_01.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/19981215/
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/article_11.htm


By contrast, it's tragic that the one holiday Christ actually *DID* ask Christians to commemorate is entirely ignored by almost all of Christendom. It is, of course, the Memorial of Christ's death, sometimes called "the Last Supper" or "the Lord's Evening Meal".

(1 Corinthians 11:23-25, NWT) The Lord Jesus in the night in which he was going to be handed over took a loaf... Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 25 He did likewise respecting the cup.. Keep doing this... in remembrance of me.”

(1 Cor 11:24, 25, NEB) "Do this as a memorial of me.”


Christ Jesus himself personally celebrated and explained the significance of that Last Supper to his followers (see Matthew 26:26-29). Christians who commemorate the Last Supper have done so on the same Jewish calendar date as Jesus did, Nisan 14, which generally falls between late March and mid-April. Interestingly, Christians in the centuries immediately after Christ's impalement were sometimes called "Quartodecimans" which literally mean "Fourteen-ers", because the early Christians were well-known for this true holy day.

How would Jesus feel to learn that the holiday he commanded was widely ignored, while his so-called followers chose to celebrate a pagan false god and their own traditions of men? We don't need to wonder.

(Matthew 15:6-9) You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said, 8 ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”

Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/index.htm?article=article_08.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/index.htm?article=article_11.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20041215/article_02.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20011115/article_02.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20050101a/
http://watchtower.org/e/jt/

2007-10-30 15:09:25 · answer #11 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 2 1

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