In light of that what about Isaiah 44:24. In my previous question you stated that Jesus was helping God in creation. That Jesus was indeed who all things were created through. In Isaiah God says He did it alone. That He did everything. He even says who was with me. If Jesus is not Jehovah how could He have been with God when He was creating the universe? God makes it clear in this verse it was Him and Him alone who created everything.
24 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: “I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?"
2007-10-29 13:00:41 · 9 answers · asked by Bible warrior 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
A link to my previous question.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aozmo92jT7gUnJThesl_66jsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071029164751AAE0jjO
2007-10-29 13:01:33 · update #1
deadcatbounce3 - actually it does not call Him a creature. It refers to Him as the firstborn of every creature. The Greek word used there means preeminence not literally first born as in created.
2007-10-29 13:08:17 · update #2
Zenbull - actually Jesus has always existed. He is referred to as the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
2007-10-29 13:11:37 · update #3
christn 36 res - I leave my e-mail open because if they e-mail me I can e-mail them back. Maybe I will convince one of them. Although these questions always cost me points. JW's gt offended and report them even when no rules are broken. Not a very Christian thing to do.
2007-10-29 13:31:44 · update #4
John 10:30 says ," I and my Father are One.
It also says just after John1:3, ," through Him all things where made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.4 In Him was life,and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. 6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.7 He came as a witness concerning that light. so that through him all men might believe.8He himself was not the light.9 The true light that gives light to the every man was coming into the world."
This is clear that Word was God and with God in the beginning. JW's want to say that this line was wrong. Even if you read on after that it clarifies again that '"through Him" signifying again that the Word is Jesus and is God and the Light and creator. John came and testified about the True light that was coming into the world so that we all may believe.
Keep up the good work my brother in Christ.
Block your email they get angry when they lose their lies to sound doctrine. Just like Proverbs says a man of discernment loves correction and a man of perversion gets angry.
2007-10-29 13:28:20 · answer #1 · answered by Dennis James 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Didn't Jesus say: "Before Abraham was, I AM!"?
Of course He did. He is not a creature, He is God's Son. Being God's Son, it means that he is of the same nature as the Father! That means that He is God the Son.
Actually, Jesus is Yahweh! In OT, Christ is the one who is dealing with Israel. He is the Angel of the LORD! He created the WORLD because he is the WORD that God the Father spoke to create. He is I AM who spoke with Moses!
Jesus also said: if you don't believe that I AM, you cannot have eternal life! That means that if you don't believe that Jesus is Yahweh, you will go to hell, like it or not. So, you have to get rid of false Christology and believe the Word of God! Be a true Yahweh witness, be a true Christian!
2007-10-30 05:47:03 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
According to Proverbs 8:22-30 he was the master worker of God almighty,
Proverbs 8:22-30 "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.
23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth.
24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water.
25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains,
26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land.
27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep,
28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong,
29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth,
30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time,
31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.
this is beatiful how Jesus Christ was helping Jehovah in the creation process, Jesus Christ the master worker and Jehovah the Architect.
2007-10-29 20:29:33 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Actually according to Harper's Bible dictionary,
Fristborn means 'eldest child' Thus Col 1:15 can read:
"The eldest child of all creation."
Isa 44:24 proves that Jehovah alone is the Creator.
Jesus is not a co-creator.
Let’s start at the beginning, the word we translate as spirit, It literally means breath or wind.
At Gen 1:2 which most bibles say “ the (S)spirit* of God” was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters. The NRSV says in the footnote “the wind of God” * “And . . . active force (spirit).” Heb., weru´ach. Besides being translated “spirit,” ru´ach is also translated “wind” and by other words that denote an invisible active force.”
This agrees with Psalm 33:6 that says: “By the word of Jehovah the heavens themselves were made, and by the spirit (breath, KJV) of his mouth all their army.”
So the first reference of “Holy Spirit” in the bible denotes wind and breath. So when we say the spirit of God, we are literally saying the breath of God, or the wind of God. Neither of these expressions means a person of God or a personage of God. Both expressions do denote ownership.
Ex. 15:8 “And by a breath* from your nostrils waters were heaped up; They stood still like a dam of floods; The surging waters were congealed in the heart of the sea.” *“And by a breath.” Heb., u•veru´ach; Gr., pneu´ma•tos.
We know that God created the heaven and earth, by means of His spirit. We don’t read in the bible that “The Holy Spirit created the earth”, we read God created the heavens and earth by means of his spirit. With the master worker Jesus assisting, not creating.
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2007-10-30 02:28:10 · answer #4 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It is obvious. All the angels of God were singing when God laid the foundations of the earth... not helping God create it...
In reality... if you look at the pages of the New testament that name Michael, they also name Jesus and do NOT tie the two together (see Jude and Revelation ) Additionally Jesus rebuked Satan in Matthew 4 and the archangel was afraid to rebuke Satan in Jude.. not the same
Jesus will come with the voice of the Archangel and the trumpet of God but He aint no trumpet... He;s just coming with one
2007-10-29 20:06:56 · answer #5 · answered by whirlingmerc 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
But, the very verse you quote refers to Jesus as a creature. Jesus can't be God if he was created by God.
2007-10-29 20:03:52 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I thought Jesus was born 4000 years after Genesis, so how the hell could he have created the world? Causality, anyone?
2007-10-29 20:03:55 · answer #7 · answered by Belzetot 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Jesus was now born when G-d cerated the world
2007-10-29 20:06:54 · answer #8 · answered by bcrekmore 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
You do understand that you make no sense whatsoever.
2007-10-29 20:12:16 · answer #9 · answered by 2447 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋