How come there are still Atheists around?
2007-10-29 08:48:26 · 11 answers · asked by carl 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
BTW didn't the last Atheists die out with the fall of the Soviet Union?
2007-10-29 08:52:15 · update #1
The existence of God can be proved in five ways.
The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore imp
2007-10-29 08:54:41 · update #2
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm
2007-10-29 08:55:24 · update #3
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/gods-existence.htm
2007-10-29 09:03:11 · update #4
I would love to see you back that up.
2007-10-29 08:53:27 · answer #1 · answered by steve 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Care to list them?
IF you substitute the word "dragon" for the word "god" are they still applicable? If so it is not a very good proof.
Edit:
First off, the first four arguments are exactly the same. A prime mover argument.
But where does it say that this prime mover has to be a sentient being? Why can it not have had natural causes, such as M-theory. And before you argue that the 'brane multiiverse has to have a prime mover you need to understand the 11 dimensional math behind it and consider that time is just another dimension in the multiverse.
The fifth (really the second of two) argument is rubbish. There are huge numbers of examples where things do not act for their best advantage. What is the star's advantage in going super nova? What is the advantage to me that I will eventually die? Why should a deer stand still in the approaching headlights? Just because something happens does not mean that it was planned.
So, you have nothing. Sorry, thanks for playing.
Edit II
Premise 3 is flawed. You can not know something without a reason for knowing it. If you have a reason then you can share that reason with someone else.
Without this step this proof fails.
It also fails the Dragon test as I can use it to prove the existence of dragons, mermaids, unicorns or anything else I can conceive.
You still have nothing.
2007-10-29 15:55:26 · answer #2 · answered by Simon T 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Each and every reason you give is flawed in the same respect. Even if you accept your ideas as consisting of proof...that does not mean YOUR reason, GOD, is the force at the beginning of it...any more than it is Rama, or Zeus, etc.
I can prove to you that a car, at 10 miles distant, is moving...and I can prove to you that a care, at 10 miles distant, should have a motor of some kind, and be buring fuel of some sort. That does not mean, however, that Jessica Simpson is driving that car. It doesn't mean Dick Cheney is driving that car. It doesn't actually mean ANYONE is driving the car. Just that the car is moving
That's why there are atheists. your arguments can be logical, to a point, but then they always get to the premise that the only answer is that God did it. Just because something is moving, and YOU don't understand why, does not mean there is something supernatural about it...and if there was something supernatural about it, why is the only answer your god?
2007-10-29 16:01:50 · answer #3 · answered by Night Owl 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
If you've ever seen miracle on 34th street--the New York court decided that Santa Claus existed because a government agency delivered mail to a white haired pot bellied old guy. Our coins say "In god we trust"--since treasury dept is also a government agency--by extension--god exists--the govn. says so. SO therefore I conclude that God and Santa Clause are both real. That's 1 lol.
2007-10-29 15:55:23 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Aesity means self-existence. Aesity explains the metaphysical nature of God as a purely self-existent being that exists in complete actuality. God is not a being that is created by another god; neither does God create himself into existence. Rather, God has always existed as an unchanging, completely actualized being.
God has his Being of himself and to himself such that he is Absolute being and the definition of existence.
Since God’s essence is his nature and God’s existence is the same as his essence it follows that God is existence.
2007-10-30 23:44:02 · answer #5 · answered by cashelmara 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There is no proof of a god being in existence or real at any time in any place in history.
Unless you can provide a source for your information, it's all yada-yada-yada.
2007-10-29 15:52:35 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Woe be unto sheep, oh Zion.
2007-10-29 16:05:24 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
http://godisimaginary.com/
here are 50 proofs. WAAY more than 5.
oops...that is that he DOES NOT exist. sorry.
2007-10-29 15:52:33 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'd love to see those 5 proofs.....
2007-10-29 15:52:24 · answer #9 · answered by Adam G 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
5 proofs, not using pascals wager, or the perfect island...bring them...
2007-10-29 15:52:48 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋