Why does god have to prove anything to the atheists?

Question

I'll tell you why:

If god wanted me to believe in him, don't you think he'd show himself to me, or find some other way to prove it. Why does blind faith have to be the only way to "get to know" god? What's wrong with hard evidence? If god was all-loving, then don't you think he'd do all he could to direct us to the right path to salvation?

No - he just expects us to have faith, no matter what. My mind doesn't just work on the premises that, "I'll believe because I'm going to get some treat when I die, even if it's not likely that it's true." Testing us all of our lives doesn't sound like a very benevolent being to me.

If god expects us to believe in him, when evidence shows otherwise, then why did he give us the critical thinking skills to come to the conclusion that he doesn't exist? It's like giving ice cream to a child with ADD and telling her, "Don't you dare lick it, because if you do, I'll burn you forever." She's GONNA lick it, so why bother

...punishing her for something that's inevitable. If atheism is inevitable for me, then why would god punish me for that?

*NOTE: In no way was I relating atheists to children with ADD. It was an analogy; a convoluted one, but an anology nonetheless.

Lion of Judah: you are half correct. But the thing is, I don't see evidence for creation. Evolution, without divine creation, makes more sense to me. Why would god look down upon that?

Answer 1

This is how I feel when people ask me what I would do if there was a heaven when we died. I always tell them that I hope god would know what was inside my heart. Why would he have made me with such doubts if he expected total worship from me. If he does exist he made me incapable of believing in him.

Of course I don't actually believe that is the case...that is just how I explain it.

Oh and Jihad Jill is the reason why many people do not like religious people. Please Jihad Jill, let me know who is blessed and who isn't. It could save us all a lot of wasted time.

Answer 2

I'm Christian and I've often felt that "we" don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. SOMETHING (I don't know what exactly) is missing.

I do feel, like you, that our religion and faith paradigm is off base. I sense that its out and out wrong, only based on the idea that I believe in an infinite God, which means NO paradigm will work. God is beyond that kind of human-made structure.

Further (and here comes the thumbs down from my good fundie friends), I'm not so sure that salvation is really the goal. The real goal, I think, is service done in love -- which is something done in the here and now, not in the afterlife.

I think that the goal IS the process. I find that God is revealed in action... not inaction. Which might possibly be the fly-in-the-ointment for an atheist... you'll never know the love of God without committing oneself to service done in love.

Oh boy... I hope this makes some kind of sense.

Regardless, I write with respect, regards, and peace to you.

Answer 3

You obviously have given much thought to this issue. So I am a Christian and will turn the tables on you. I will say that you are right.

Out of all the species out there on earth now; whose laws are greatest on this earth? The laws of man? Or are the instincts and survival skills of all living creatures out there the higher ones than man's

What makes man the best creature on this earth, if not God. What if a really intelligent alien came to earth and said man is not fit to be the most predominate species. But turtles should be because they are less violent and more peace loving. And then they took some but mostly exterminated out all the violent ones, including man.

How much thought did you give to this question?

If you want to know the truth it is already there in written form in a completed answer book called the Bible. But if you ignore that book then the scenario I just gave you is not that far fetched. (well maybe if I hadn't have put in aliens it wouldn't be)

Answer 4

That depends on what you mean by "God." Some God concepts can be proven false. For example, the god that young earth creationists believe in is proven false by every single thing we know from science. Gods that have given impossible characteristics, such as a being that is described as omniscient or all knowing, cannot exist. Gods that have been given contradictory characteristics, such as a being that is all knowing and all powerful cannot exist, since such a being would either be able to do something it does not expect (omnipotent, but not omniscient), or it would not (omniscient, but not omnipotent). That leaves us with a small sliver of gods worshiped today to even consider, and they are either unknowable (the deist god for example) or indistinguishable from a being that does not exist (something that exists, but does not interact in anyway with humans other than through telepathic communications that no one else can hear). In there end, there simply is no reason to believe, and thus I do not. "what convinced you that you were definitely atheist as opposed to being agnostic?" I am both. An atheist is one who does not believe in gods. I am also agnostic since I cannot claim knowledge that no gods exist. The deist god, for example, might exist, but there is zero reason to think it does, thus my belief is not earned. "I mean there's the BBT, but it's just that, it's a theory, which isn't really anymore convincing than any religious theory for me. :/" Then you fail to understand what a theory in science means, in which case I highly suggest you take a high school science course to find out.

Answer 5

All concepts of God are man made, as a pantheist, I realize that what I call God is my interpretation. God = Creator = Universe / Nature. We evolved from the Universe, it indeed is our Creator. For me that is all the proof I require, it is all natural and irrefutable, my calling IT God however is my choice.

The supernatural ancient curses version of God is a construct of man and has no basis in reality.

I believe that atheists are far more respectful of our Creator than religious folks. Atheists don't attempt to speak for God or do ridiculous things to earn favor. They don't attach their prejudices or superstitions to dogma that makes the Creator of the Universe appear petty, cruel and political.

Without meaning to do so atheist are some of God's best examples. They respect human nature and do not see it as an ancient curse (original sin) They know that we are responsible for our own actions. They are not whining for divine intervention for daily activities. They know that we are the root of and the only possible solution to our problems. This is the strength our Creator imbued us with. But religious people don't see it. The irony is stunning.

There is no reason for atheists to believe any of the Gods exists. It would serve no purpose. If the God of the Bible were more than a fantasy it would be real to all.

Pantheist

Answer 6

If there was a God, he would want to prove his own existence. He wouldn't dare mar his image through use of any human being to tell his story. If I were to print and sell Mickey Mouse T-shirts, Disney would sue me. Profiting off the name of Jesus seems to be fine with Jesus. I thought the only thing Jesus rolled back was a gravestone, and now he's rolling back prices at Wal-mart. I think I'll make an energy drink - Jesus Juice. It will have a butchered lamb nailed to a cross dripping blood. When you pop open the can, the sweet smell of wine will hit your nostrils. I mean the good stuff, fortified with creatine, ginko biloba, caffeine, vitamin C, Horny goat Weed, ecstacy, THC, and an ishload of sugar. When that does well, I can start packaging up weed brownies, and call them the bread of life. What about cigarettes? Holy Smokes - yeah - it's got a nice ring to it. OOOH.... ringtones!

Answer 7

God does not need to prove anything to us, believer or not. That's why we have free will, it's up to us to decide what we want to believe. It's similar to the story in the Bible where Jesus heals the deaf man, who upon hearing the voice of Christ becomes a believer. Jesus then tells him is is blessed, but then so are "they that have not heard My words, and yet still believe."

I personally look out into this world, and with the complexity of the various ecosystems, large and small, I do not believe this all just happened to mix correctly. I believe there is a guiding hand, helping things along with a nudge there and a tweek here.

Answer 8

I think you should believe what ever you want but have an open mind. I was once an atheist who thought that there was only a material existence. Entheogenic substances changed that.....I became aware of a spiritual reality. I saw that conciseness itself covered multiple planes of existence and that that all life itself was one and the same energy. I dont think anyone who has experience with psychedelics can be an atheist. Besides...atheism makes no more sense to me than chrisraity really. Neither complety adds up

Answer 9

Aesity means self-existence. Aesity explains the metaphysical nature of God as a purely self-existent being that exists in complete actuality. God is not a being that is created by another god; neither does God create himself into existence. Rather, God has always existed as an unchanging, completely actualized being.


God has his Being of himself and to himself such that he is Absolute being and the definition of existence.
Since God’s essence is his nature and God’s existence is the same as his essence it follows that God is existence.

Answer 10

...have no desire to change your mind, but I made mine up yrs ago: Look at any cover of Maxim magazine, THEN tell me there is NO GOD--just random DNA 'accidents'! Seriously, you must believe that this imperfect world is all we have [poor soul!], it's 'survival of the fitest,' 'Me first,' 'the billions of cars in front of churches every weekend are driven by fools!', 'elderly religious people--with the best perspective on what's important--are brain dead!,' 'People died professing faith in a charlatan!' These beliefs are depressing and would frustrate me--offer no hope--yet people who truly adopt & execute religious teachings seem to be happy,in harmony, and content with life's ups & downs. Why choose to fight as hard as you must to justify your beliefs?