If the EU Constitution is no big deal for Britain, then why are Gordon Brown and his fellow pro-Europeans so afraid of presenting their arguments in favour of the Constitution and allowing the British public to make an informed choice as was promised by the Labour government in their last manifesto?
What are you all afraid of? If it's such a good deal for the UK, then there's nothing to fear, is there? Why can none of you give me a straight answer?
2007-10-27
12:03:24
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Mr Sceptic - "However - do you really think that the electorate are capable of an informed choice". You know, that statement just about sums up New Labour thinking and I am disappointed that you yourself think so little of the British public.
2007-10-27
12:34:47 ·
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The same goes for the Dutch and the French people. The EU is too much the product of politicians and a tool for big business that largely ignores the people
The British people aren't the only ones who have doubts and hesitations about the schemes worked out in Brussels. The Dutch and the French also want their referendum. Politicians are afraid referenda will show the reality. That Europeans reject the road the political leaders want to go with the EU
"Do you think the general public can make an informed choice?" That's an argument against Democracy itself. For me it doesn't fly. It's the job of the politicians to make sure the public is informed. If you consider the general public too stupid, dumb or simply uninformed to make those type of decisions why would you let them decide who runs your country?
2007-10-27 12:14:38
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answered by justgoodfolk 7
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They are running scared of a No vote which would mean they could no longer get away with the pretence that we believe the lies they are telling about the treaty/constitution being different in significant detail. Brown is well aware of the way the country feels, and he continues to fly in the face of democracy. He continues on his merry way, not even bothering to hide his smirk as he ignores the wishes of the electorate.
If they were to tell the truth the only ones wanting the treaty through is big business and euro MPS with their grubby little hands in the cash register!
2007-10-28 05:54:12
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answered by trish 5
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Most of the Pro-Europeans are following their own agenda.
Unfortunately, their main concern is personal wealth and power and has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the Electorate.
I also think that this scenario is applicable in most of the European Countries.
When the EU finally breaks up, the ammount of damage that has been caused, will be tremendous and will have reduced most of Europe to third world status.
Finally, will there be any difference, between the U.S.S.R.
that was and the EU that will be, if the Browns of this world
are not stopped???
2007-10-28 04:26:08
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answered by Anonymous
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I am pro-European (with conditions) and I think that we should have a referendum. Not on the treaty/constitution, but on being part of the EU as a whole.
Why limit it to the treaty/constiution (which, lets face it, most people will not have read for themselves)? Just looking at Yahoo, there are enough people here who would love us to be out of the EU, and has been posted before, when we, the UK public voted to join the EEC, it was an economic commmunity, not a European Union.
I do think that we should have another vote. Even though I am in favour of being part of the EU (as noted, with certain conditions), I do think that we deserve a say on this matter.
2007-10-27 20:42:30
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answered by The Patriot 7
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Because the English public do not want their country removed from the map, which is what the Scottish dictators in London want, along with most of Europe, that is why we have regions and not a devolved parliament like Wales and Scotland.
The best thing that we can do is to leave the expensive gravy train before Brussels completely bankrupts us with taxes.
However I suspect that the vote will be required to be at least 80% in favour of leaving to be taken any notice of, and that of the eligable voting public not the turn out, so that the dictators in Brussels will be safe in the knoledge that we will be stuch with them forever.
2007-10-27 20:32:53
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answered by Anonymous
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There should be more direct democracy in the "Democratic" ( i.e. Plutocratic )world generally. The Swiss have the best systems and U.S. Democrat Presidential candidate Mike Gravel is advocating something similar .
The UK should form a direct democracy party - or one that would run on DD platform. It's the only effective response to the NWO.
There really is only the right to vote -not the right to choose. That's how the Feudal masters want it.
2007-10-27 12:45:45
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answered by celvin 7
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I'm a pro-European. I disagree with referendums. We elect governments to govern, and referendums just give governments a loophole to blame the electorate for their mistakes.
But the Labour party was elected having promised a referendum on the EU Constitution. If the current treaty is so different to the constitution, then I feel it is incumbent on the government to inform the electorate and to fulfil their election commitment to let us vote on it, either by referendum, or preferably by general election.
So here's one pro-European giving you a straight answer. We should have a vote on the EU treaty - either a referendum or a general election. Not because it's necessary, but because our elected government promised it.
However - do you really think that the electorate are capable of an informed choice? Don't you think that the level of debate would be "I don't like foreigners"?
2007-10-27 12:15:19
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answered by Mr Sceptic 7
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Mr Brown and similar don't really like England. They want to destroy it, and all that it stands for, by stealth.
If they know that an open vote on the subject will probably be 'No', then they won't allow a vote. Simple, really (and contempible).
2007-10-27 12:14:10
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answered by Anonymous
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Because they know there is a very good chance that the majority of us would vote NO to it!
2007-10-28 01:52:20
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answered by Anonymous
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Elected dictatorship.
2007-10-27 12:42:51
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answered by the boss 4
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