Agree or disagree?

Question

every Martial art is solid against, an untrained opponent... or against an opponent of less ability of the same style... but wha every MA lacks is the ability to defend against other styles... It seems to me, from the limited knowledge I have , that this block works for that kick (in MA #1) and that block works for this kick (ma #2), but this block (from #1) will get you hurt from that kick (ma #2) and vice versa?..... just curious as to other views

we did learn how to "hopefully survive" from an attacker with a baseball bat... I do not fear the man with a weapon,,, I am terrified of the man that doesnt need one

Answer 1

Your techniques are like tools and you must learn to use them with skill and use them properly. That is first and foremost but unfortunately some people don't develop their skills to that level or the school that they train at does a poor job of training them. Secondly not all techniques are going to be effective in every situation and as you said already, "martial arts is not really designed to be used against someone else that knows martial arts". It is most effective against those that don't and people generally only fight each other using martial arts because they want to test their skills or they like to fight.

Answer 2

Actually, you have been misled in this belief. While it is true that all martial arts are affective against low-skill or untrained opponents (street fighters) it is the basic and intermediate techniques of a given martial art that is used for these types of fights. Martial arts themselves were perfected to such high degrees of skill and technique for the purpose of skilled to skilled combat. Before the invention of the gun and a quality organized police force, a person's physical skill was all they had to defend/attack with, so when you trained in a fighting style you expected your enemies to be skilled. Today, the average person has little to no skill in fighting, so that is what students are trained for. Often times a move that a student might think, as you put it, only "works" for one purpose (I.E. Slap Block for a punch, Low Block for a kick, etc.) can be used in multiple ways. That slap block can, after contact is made, circle around the wrist to grab and twist, followed by several good punches to the ribs. The whole purpose of martial arts is to transcend basic "force to force" combat, otherwise known as "I'm stronger than you" fighting, to mimic the true nature of war which is strategy and balance of power. I think I might be speaking to generally, but if you gave me a couple MAs to work with I could give you more specific examples of how a fight would play out between two skilled warriors of the different arts. You can go to my profile and e-mail me some scenarios or questions and I will give you a better answer to your question if you would like.
Happy Training.

Answer 3

I always hear how one art is better than another and this one reigns supreme in all situations. One point that I believes holds true is that in a fight, the fighter with the greater skill or mental game should be the victor. A person who trains in a style against that same style learns the correct counters, the proper blocks, throws etc.
Now in the structure of MMA, certain things are removed from certain styles. No groin shots, no eye gouges, choke holds without the use of thumbs or pressure points etc. A true fight breaks down to one person wanting to hurt another with whatever is appropriate at that time. My .45 beats Bruce Lee's best punch if I have the game to use it.
Basically, in a real life fight for survival, it is the size of the fight in the dog that will carry the victory.
So what is the use of Martial Arts?
Through practice of whatever art, there is a serious amount of practice. In boxing and wrestling, broken noses abound, from practices to standard matches. The difference is, In a real fight, the boxer knows the pain of the broken nose will not defeat him. The hay-maker to the jaw will not necessarily cause him to drop. He carries a simple proof that enables him to fight on, while someone without the same training centers on the broken nose, hurting jaw and does not wish to endure any further punishment.
In a mixed martial arts fight, you rarely see specific punch katas. You see what works. The same two leg takedown might work once or twice, but the opponent might adapt and so does the true fighter. And frankly, the more experience the fighter has in various fields, the better they do, at adapting the information under them to not submit or surrender.

Answer 4

There's 2 points as a martial artist to understand.

1. Before one was a martial artist, he is, first, a man. If he chooses to be a slave to his style, he would be indeed be limited by his style. You have to make the style works for you, and when it doesn't, there are no rules to say you can't improvised. Your sensei is not there to fight the fight, you are.

It is not what the style lack, but what the man lack.

2. Techniques are not perfect. If there was ever a perfect technique, we would be all fighting in the same stance, punch and kick. Every technique can fail.

But that doesn't mean we don't try. In a fight, it is all about trying. If you don't try, you are gonna lose anyway. Remember to try. Good luck!

Answer 5

Well it's true that alot of arts will work against an untrained opponent but not really, because usually people learn somewhere how to punch, most people know a little bit of something and an experienced street fighter can have an advantage over people who even do the "hard styles" let alone the others

As far as style vs style, who knows, it's probably not as simple as this punch vs that punch, this technique vs that technique, it's just too broad a statement.

Answer 6

hahaha confusing way to put it
but yeh you cant defend yourself from all attacks truth is your going to feel it when you get kicked or attempt or perform a block but there are some martial arts that arent as technically sound as others like you take a Ju-Jitsu fighter and pair him of against a muay thai fighter its going to be rediculous because the JJ fighter will be trying to get the MT fighter to the mat whilst the MT fighter is punishing him because MTs a standing attack art and as soon as the JJ fighter gets the MT on the ground the MT would be clueless as to what to do in that sort of situation and the JJ would be putting the fighter in all sorts of submissions
so it really comes down to who and where the scrap happens but i agree with what your saying but there are some really good alrounded fighting styles eg Jeet Kune Do- bruce lee's art. but also thats why you use your jab and other measuring attacks to get a feel for what your opponents style and technique is like
so i agree but at the same time disagree

Answer 7

No I think your missing the whole picture and how can you say that if you have ever watched the UFC you would notice the karate guy doesn't fight a karate guy all the time sometimes he will fight a jiu jitsu guy or a vale tudo or tae kwon do etc. I don't know how far you went in the arts but this block goes with that kick is only to give you an option off of a block there is thousands of moves from there, you don't have to know all the arts just understand them.

Answer 8

the thing i think that should be considered is gaining that "fighters mentality" in realizing that you are not guaranteed to survive any fight you may come across but doing what you can to stay alive and uninjured if possible, and using what works. maybe instead of blocking that kick/punch, just try to move out of the way of it and counter with a surprise blow to the head or mid-section whether or not you get hit. hope that helps.

Answer 9

Judo is based on this problem. the gentle way is using the opponents directed force against them selfs. Hence it is primary defensive however there are a few moves that can break a bone or two, and if you move to Jujitsu there are more counter moves after the defensive move that can hurt the other.

Answer 10

the best MA is a baseball bat and the willingness to use it full force - i don't know of any"styles" to defend against that.