Atheists: Do you really and truly believe that this beautiful universe just happened by chance?

Question

That all order came after the big bang?
I have a friend and brother who is a physicist who said that this would have been impossible to have just happened.
Do you really believe this is all by chance?

Answer 1

The problem is that, I'm afraid, that atheists are not able to envision the possibility of a higher order dimension that we cannot visualize or even see in any form while in this earthly body. Plus science cannot possibly hope to ever explain it, even though it exists.

Take vector spaces in mathematics for example. We all know what zero, one, two, and three dimensions are. For example, a zero dimensional point defect in a crystal lattice, a one dimensional line, a two dimensional plane, and a three dimensional sphere. What about four? five? six? fifty dimensions?

Can you possibly hope to visualize fifty dimensions? Does this mean that you cannot write equations quantifying them? For example the vectors:

{1,0} R2 vector space (Two dimensions)
{5,3,4} R3 vector space (Three dimensions)

Let's choose a couple of points in R9 vector space now.

let u = {9,7,35,22,15,65,0,13,2} R9 vector space (Nine dimensions)
let v = {5,6,1,27,98,78,2,3,5} R9 vector space (Nine dimensions)

You can still quantify a value for the magnitude and direction even for the nine dimensional vector space. You can even get the angle between them with this formula:

Cos(Θ) = (u•v)/(║u║║v║)
which gives us
(u•v) = ((9*5)+(7*6)+(35*1)+(22*27)+
(15*98)+(65*78)+(0*2)+(13*3)+
(2*5)) = 7305
now:
║u║ = √(9^2+7^2+35^2+22^2
+15^2+65^2+0^2+13^2+2^2)
= 80.39
║v║ = √(5^2+6^2+1^2+27^2+
98^2+78^2+2^2+3^2+5^2)
= 128.52

Finally plugging in:

Cos(Θ) = (u•v)/(║u║║v║)
=> 7305/(80.39*128.52)
=> .707
Θ = Cos-1(.707)

Θ = 45º

This is completely kosher mathematics, and it works for ANY set of vectors in ANY dimension.

So, just because we cannot visualize dimensions higher than three, does not mean that they cannot possibly exist. We just have no conception on what it could be like because we are only three dimensional beings.

Science and mathematics are great, and I am studying them both in college, but they are limited in their grasp and scope.

Answer 2

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Most people don't consider everything they see in this world to be beautiful. What we consider beautiful often comes from our environment. Our parents tell us at a very young age that "this is pretty" or "that is ugly" and, thus, it shapes our beliefs and thoughts.

Also, why is it that the universe needs a creator, but God doesn't? If God is as beautiful, intelligent, etc. as Christians claim He is, then he must have been created, right?

Answer 3

I accept that the most likely cause was natural events not exactly chance. I've seen the arguments against it and they are pretty presumptuous.

All of the arguments against it claim this that and the other event were a billion to one and without it happening just the way it did the universe would not have formed the way it did and have been stable.

Here's a question to present to those who say this. Prove to me that the universe didn't have many quadrillion false starts before we arrived at stability? It's not as though we would know if the original expansion collapsed back into a singularity after only a billionth of a second or even a million years after a failed expansion.

If you accept the low statistical likelihood of a stable universe forming, which is the more likely explanation for arriving at stability many false starts or a creator?

In fact I would argue that statistically it had to happen eventually.

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The next question people ask is"well what caused the expansion to simply begin" My answer. What if it didn't? What if it collapsed and and without pause expanded again immediately? (Of course the word immediately doesn't mean much since time had no mathematical meaning).

Wouldn't a yoyo event account for both questions? Countless false starts each one triggered by the end of the last.

Answer 4

Not by chance. The universe and everything in it is a creation of GOD, and God continue to this day HIS creations not only of life but all that has no life . God's life creation is constantly exhibited in the conception in the mothers' womb and the gradual development of humans until they are brought into this world. Scientists tell us that the universe is expanding, new stars and plants are taking form That too is God's work of creation.

Answer 5

Yes, I believe it's all by chance. Being a physicist does not make someone right, just as teachers, priests, lawyers, and presidents aren't always right.

And I wouldn't say that all order came after the big bang. There is very little order. While there are obviously recognizable patterns, the universe is a very chaotic place.

Answer 6

Yep. I would argue with you about the beauty of this Universe. I believe that Chaos reigns supreme.



You have a friend and brother who is a Physicist... who said this would have been impossible?? Now doesnt your bible tell you not to lie?

Answer 7

Yes and creationists in an attempt to disprove that it could happen actually proved it did. They found the chance of it occuring being something like 10x-24 which puts a chance of it occuring and since we are here then it did occur.

Answer 8

The big bang or anything else could not have made a
world like this except God,it run,s on time in everything from
life to season,s and I believe God creared it.

Answer 9

God is the Creator of the world. The Bible provides evidence of that. I sure think it's very sad to think it all happen by chance and that we all come from a "rock", because that is what evolutionists believe, although sometimes they don't even realize until they sit down and think about it.

Answer 10

The universe operates according to the laws of identity and causality. The Law of Identity, first formulated by Aristotle over two thousand years ago, says that everything is what it is; A is A. Nothing, therefore, can be A and non-A at the same time and in the same way. The Law of Causality is an extension of the Law of Identity. It says that a thing can only act in accordance with its nature. For example, a human mother cannot give birth to a horse. The universe operates under these two primary laws. Why do we need an invisible, non-tangible deity to get it started?