If the universe has a beginning (and evidence seems to suggest this), how did God pass eternity (an infinite series) to get to the point where creation occurred? How does God form a new relationship (to the universe at the beginning, to each new soul, etc.) and remain changeless? The concept of God is not defined well enough to even need refuting.
2007-10-26 13:17:24
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answered by neil s 7
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"If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy the heat death of the universe." Mass-energy may be limited, and the amount of USABLE energy may be decreasing, but that does not necessarily signify the end of the universe caused by the lack of energy to do work. The amount of energy remains the same. Total equilibrium of energy or "heat" in the universe does not mean the energy ceases to exist. It means that all things that require work as a function of energy to exist can no longer exist. However, the total amount of mass-energy will remain the same. You can state will absolute assurance that the universe has a beginning, only if you have absolute proof that the universe has an end. "The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning" Can we be absolutely sure that the universe had a beginning? If it has no end it has no beginning. Therefore it could have always existed. If "God" does not need a cause because He always existed, then why would a universe need a cause if it has always existed? How can we not be sure that the universe will not exist eternally in a state of equilibrium? What if the universe was not created for the purpose of human beings? "Also, the universe cannot be self-caused nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity." I agree with you there. Of course, a cause cannot be caused by itself. This is valid logic. On the other hand I do have one ponderous thought about time and God. If he caused the universes' beginning, he is a cause. Therefore, would he not be able to produce both cause and effects at His will? Time, like you've stated, "Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space.", is a rate of change. However, I believe that time is a product of any type of change. Or cause and effect. Therefore, would God not be living in his own time? Whether it be constantly varying in speed or not. As he is acting or changing time passes as an effect. Time will not exist only when absolutely nothing exists, including God. However, I am not stating with for a fact that there is not a beginning to the universe. I am simply using logic to seek the truth. However, like all humans I make mistakes because I do not know everything. I am simply using my understanding of what I "know" to produce logical explanations. Maybe there is information out there that proves the universe did begin at a certain instant and that all things in it followed. This is a very interesting question. I like that you used logic to support your argument. That is how it should be done. And don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to disprove you here. I want the same thing you want. The truth. I have questions and I am simply trying to find the answer.
2016-04-10 08:40:20
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answered by Anonymous
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Causation is not a law , it's an observation.Astronomers can only account for 10% of the mass of the universe, therefore , there must be 'Dark Matter' - now that is an invention.
Causation also appears to include a time dependence , i.e. some things happen before other things and thus cause these other things.If you take the Space-time field to it's logical conclusion , then the forward/backward aspect of time is perhaps a human perception thing.If time is just part of the continuum then the effect of events that happen 'ripple' out in space time , botheforwards,and backwards. i.e. the past affects the future and the future affects the past.In this world , causation starts to get a bit of a rough ride.
Good question and thanks for it.
2007-10-26 13:35:49
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answered by howlingengines 4
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I'm not exactly sure, but if could be in the 10th or 11th dimension, you could do some pretty cool things (relative to the 3rd dimension).
I'm not sure how matter & energy could be created, maybe at the quantum or even the sub quantum level is where the answer lies.
Also, if this God is eternal, he doesn't pertain to time (or space), then he doesn't have a cause; I guess you could call him the One, the Source of all causes, or the Creator however you want to call Him.
Hopefully my answer helped, if it doesn't, then just Google whatever you need to know, that is usually one the best ways to obtain information.
2007-10-26 13:21:54
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answered by Kyle 3
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People who can not or refuse to understand the Big Bang feel that it is easier to simply say god did it as to how and where we come from.
Remember religion does not like people to have independent thoughts and free thinking.
The idea of god being able to do anything is flawed and that is a fact.
People claim that god has spoken to them, why them as an individual and not to the whole world?
If god is all powerful why doesn't he use his power to prevent bad things from happening? Oh right "free will"
if god is all-powerful why doesn't he prevent bad things from happening? is it because he can not? then he is not all powerful. If he can but does not want to then he is not a loving god. This is an example of how the concept of god is flawed.
2007-10-26 14:17:41
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answered by Imagine No Religion 6
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Well, to my logical mind it rather seems that if God created the universe he didn't break the law of causation, but on the contrary he actually started the law of causation. ;)
Now, I don't personally believe this.
2007-10-26 13:54:59
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answered by juexue 6
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Well, perhaps this DOES fit the law of Causation, but we just haven't figured out how it connects yet? We don't know the path that leads from point A, to point B.
2007-10-26 13:13:53
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answered by Lisa E 6
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Whether or not a creator exists or not is not the question. The question is whether or not dimensions of experience exist beyond the dimensions in which time and space exist. Its a matter of vibrational frequency. That which exists in dimensions that are beyond time and space are only able to manifest in the dimensions that exist in the dimensions that involve time and space because they are able to lower their vibrational frequency to the point that allows physical manifestation to manifest.
2007-10-26 13:59:36
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answered by Anonymous
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How would it break the law of Causation? He caused the world to exist by creating it.
2007-10-26 13:13:32
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answered by unfit_commander 5
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The belief in God doesn't explain anything about creation. The religious can't explain where the universe came from, so they invented a God who created it, that theory doesn't explain where God came from.
2007-10-26 13:13:20
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answered by Steve C 7
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