I'm not saying that god is not all-loving, I'm saying there is no god so don't give me the usual 'if suffering is used as evidence to disprove the existence of a loving God, then equally any good that happens in the world ought to be used as an evidence to support that there is a loving God.'
I think everything that happens, **** or otherwise is just part and parcel of life or mere coincidences. Convince me otherwise pls :)
2007-10-26
13:01:30
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Christian 1991-Rudy - you're dumb. If god only helps sin-free people, he'll be a lonely man in a lonely heaven. go read your little book more before posting pls
2007-10-26
13:09:25 ·
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paula r:
A) what about babies who are born defected? are they sinners too? what about the millions who face famine? are they ALL sinners too?
B) If god allows the law of nature to occur, why should I believe him over mother nature or some mountain or tree?
If you don't know how can you believe? I tell you I'm God but you will never know how? do you believe me?
Deborah S: If you can't answer don't spam. It makes you look stupid
2007-10-26
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So, how do Christians reconcile the existence of suffering with the existence of an omnipotent and all-loving God? How can there be a loving God in charge of a universe full of evil, suffering, and death?
First of all, such a statement recognizes the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. If God does not exist and we are here as a blind cosmic accident, then there is no such thing as right and wrong. It would be no more wrong for the innocent to suffer than for the ice to melt or the sun to burn. To use this argument is to admit that life is something special and that there is a standard of right and wrong, of good and evil.
Second, we must get our answers from the Bible. We can sit here all day and come up with hypothetical situations and “what if” arguments, but that doesn’t prove anything. Their problem is reconciling what the Bible says about God with what they see in the world. So the Bible is where we must go.
And the fact of the matter is, the Bible definitely affirms that God is all-powerful (Jer. 32:17; Lk. 1:37) and all-good and all-loving (Mark 10:18; 1 Jn. 4:8, 16) and that suffering definitely exists. The Bible never denies the existence of suffering or says something to the effect that only evil people suffer. What the Bible does however, is tell us how evil, suffering, and death came into the world and of the ultimate victory over it. But it has no problem reconciling the existence of God with suffering, and neither should we.
The answer is found in Genesis 3. As a result of God’s judgment on sin, He has given us a taste of existence without Him—a world full of violence, death, suffering, and disease. Dangerous weather patterns and natural disasters like hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis should remind us that we no longer live in the Garden of Eden. It is a cursed earth and bad things are supposed to happen. Romans 8:20-21 says that the creation was “subjected to futility” by God, and talks about its “slavery to corruption.”
You may be thinking, “Well, why am I being punished for what Adam did?” Because if you were in that circumstance, you would have done the same thing. God could have killed them and started over, but the results would have been the same. How do I know? Because every single person since then has sinned; Cain killed Abel and keep going right on down the line (Rom. 3:10, 23); the only exception is Jesus Christ. And so God let Adam simply represent mankind (Rom. 5:12).
This planet has been subject to suffering as a consequence of man’s sin. God cursed it, but sin is responsible. When we suffer, it ought to be a sober reminder of how terrible sin is. We all choose to sin and see the results of what sin did to the earth every day.
2007-10-30 11:10:25
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answered by Questioner 7
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There is suffering because people are cruel and do stupid stuff. This does not prove or disprove the existence of God so, I don't get your logic. If you don't believe that God exists then how does human suffering come to bear on your disbelief? You grew up in a big house and enjoy a top notch education which promises a high paying job. You can be whatever you want to be right!?!? What do you know about suffering? Have you gone more than a day without food? More than a week? You have never been bounced around from foster home to foster home, have you? What did you do when you were told your parents were gone and would never be coming back home? Do you know what suffering is?
You can believe whatever you like but I know for a fact that God is real, and I know what suffering is.
2007-10-26 13:45:07
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answered by TheNewCreationist 5
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It becomes hard to understand when we view the mortal and material consciousness as God's handy work. But as the spiritual idea begins to come aboard, then the question of suffering is answered in full. Remember, the eye hath not seen God. Our human senses are not part of God's kingdom, so the suffering sense of a kind of man has no reality in God, but only a seeming reality to the man that was not made by God. Through suffering, the "old man" is put aside for the "new man." The "new man" can not suffer.
2007-10-26 13:28:19
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answered by ? 6
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There is suffering because free will. I have free will to hit someone at this same instant. If God prevents me from hitting or hating or making fun of someone I no longer have free will. If God would have prevented Hitler from killing millions of Jews or if God would have prevented all the wars and crimes by humanity we would never know how much we really need God to guide us in life. Adam and Eve rebelled against God stating that they would be better off without him.
God has let time pass to see how well humans can live without God.
Soon God will destroy all the wicked, that means most of us who willingly choose to do wrong. And nobody ever again will be able to questions God's authority in the future for eternety.
God will rule the universe and we will all live in peace and happiness. Noboy will have an argument against God's way beacuse it will be know that been seperated from God causes pain and suffering to others.
2007-10-26 13:23:30
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answered by sfumato1002 3
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Yes, he does. He expressed his heart ache many times when the Israelites turned to other gods. The Bible says that God “felt hurt at his heart” when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. “He cares for you,” the Bible says.—1 Peter 5:7. If you read both books, 1 Kings and 2 Kings you will read how God not only was cut to the heart because the people forgot about how he saved them from the Egyptians. You will also read how his patience ran thin and his anger was fired because of how badly they began to treat one another. Disregarding the laws he himself sent to them. You will read how God regarded them as HIS special possession, his children, his people. The love he has for this nation was so deep and all he ever asked of them is that they obey his commandments. When they did, he blessed them profusely. “Five sparrows sell for two coins of small value, do they not? Yet not one of them goes forgotten before God. But even the hairs of your heads are all numbered. Have no fear; you are worth more than many sparrows.” (Luke 12:6, 7) If God can love us so much to consider us precious, would it not stand to reason that we can hurt him when we reject him and do not live according to the standards he lays out in the Bible for our own good?
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answered by Anonymous
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You cannot know good without ever having experienced bad. This is God's knowledge. The Bible suggests that, Adam and Eve gained that particular knowledge when they ate the forbidden fruit.
From the research of people's near death experiences, it suggests that for people born into suffering with debilitating handicaps, chose to be born that way (before birth), for soul growth. It also suggest that people afflicted as such are more spiritually evolved. The importance of their lives are exactly equal to your own and yet are better able to handle their handicapped existences then you are capable understanding your own non-afflicted existence.
Read the "Why do we choose to suffer and die?" section on the following web page.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research01.html
2007-10-26 14:28:33
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answered by wise1 5
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religious people will use the excuse god gave us free will. Of course this is a cop-out by them.
You see the concept of god is greatly flawed. For example
they say god is all-powerful, all-loving. OK
Then from a logical point of view god should be able to prevent suffering in the world. But since there is suffering is it because god can not prevent it? If so then god is not all-powerful. If he can BUT does not want to, then he is not all-loving god.
See how the concept of god is flawed? At least that is how I see it.
2007-10-26 14:27:36
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answered by Imagine No Religion 6
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A) Sin we do is the cause @ times. B)God allows the laws of nature to occur. Or else we would just be robots. C) Maybe it is a test of our faith. There are many reasons. Some we may never know. But God knows everything!!!! So, just trust and obey. Just like the old hymn says.
2007-10-26 13:11:04
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answered by paula r 7
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I can't convince you otherwise. You already have your mind made up.
For all that I can see, I trust the Creator for all that I can not see.
2007-10-26 13:11:08
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answered by Deborah S 5
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To teach you what suffering
is like. Then you can feel the
pain of others that are suffering.
Also, to test the soul.
2007-10-26 13:40:29
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