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It is a fact that Ishmael was deceived out of his inheritance by his brother there by making Ishmael the true recipient of the blessing of god not his brother . It is also a fact that the koran is almost identical to the old testament up to the point of when Ishmale was deceived , There for making the christian faith a faults religion and the the muslums the true and faithful son,s of God . What proff do you Christians have other than the Bible to prove that the muslums are wrong and you are right (keep in minde you claim your God isent a God of deciption)? ???

2007-10-26 01:13:14 · 22 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The problem with that question is that it can just as easily be turned around on Islam. Instead of pointless bickering, just try getting on with each other.

2007-10-26 01:17:02 · answer #1 · answered by Well, said Alberto 6 · 2 2

First you need to get the stories straight. Ishmael was the son of the hand maiden Hagar. It was Sarah that kicked him and Hagar out. Esau was deceived by his brother Jacob(Isreal) who were both sons of Isaac, second son of Abraham but Isaac was the promised son of Abrahams wife Sarah who is the true legitimate son of Abraham. God Promised to bless Ishmael and his desendants but didnt promise them heaven.
The real question is if Jesus is the Messiah or not. If Jesus is the Messiah the Christianity is right. If Jesus is not the Messiah then nobody is right. Its the only thing that matches Daniel, Ezekial, and Isahiah's prophecy

2007-10-26 08:29:18 · answer #2 · answered by Tommiecat 7 · 1 0

one, it is NOT a FACT that Ishmael even exist. It is written that he exists, but no "Proof" has been shown to back up that claim, other than religious writings in the Bible and the Koran.

Two, the very nature of religion is faith, and considering that the very deffinition of faith is believing without seeing (or for us Christians, Hebrew 11 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"), no PROOF exists that any FAITH is right or wrong.

You can't "prove" anything to a Christian by using the Koran as evidence, any more than we can "prove" anything to you by using the Bible as evidence.

and now for one final thought.

On the top left of this screen it says "Question". To the right of which I see your "hahah, I got you and I told you so" rant, followed by 4 question marks.

The first question mark didn't make this a question, what makes you think the fourth one did?

2007-10-26 08:22:12 · answer #3 · answered by centexdance 3 · 0 1

You're trying to argue about religions being right or wrong with regard to historical events. I guess bible in essence is some sort of a historical diary (to what extent it's obscured I'm not gonna argue, but so as the others). So I don't see a valid argument there.
You should look at which religion gives you spiritual guidance to live a righteous life closer to your conscience, and decide which is the better religion (if you really want to). In that case you should live by both religions to understand (under similar environment conditions). I'm not saying you should do it, but that's as close as you can get.

2007-10-26 08:35:37 · answer #4 · answered by BigG 2 · 1 1

It really is not a matter of proof. The concept of believing my faith is correct stems from the fact that I've seen the word of God twisted to make it say what it does not to fulfill human desires. I also see it the same way with the book of mormon. These are changes to a Holy book and according to the word of God, this is work of evil.

2007-10-26 08:21:48 · answer #5 · answered by Wire Tapped 6 · 0 1

You see,

I wouldnt like to answer from trinitarians bible because I know even if i bring them proof as big as mountain and sun and sky ... in the end they would say "bible - true living word of god"

- So thats basically what we call a true lucid nonsense


The facts you stated are absolutely true desipte as your name suggests (satan) :)


For Chrsitans . Abraham was neither a Christian of a Jew but an upright man who was a Muslim (Surrendered to the will of God) ....This is the same with Muslims.


Now , see how many quick thumb down and hate messages i'll get from Trinitarians . Ha!

2007-10-26 08:22:49 · answer #6 · answered by Acid 3 · 1 3

I saw your last answer and you appear to be trying to smear the Bible and Christians, so here is some information for you to absorb, smarty.

Muhammad came with no supernatural proofs of his divine commission. Time and again his critics complained of this and repeatedly he told them that his work was not that of producing signs but merely to preach, and that his lack of signs was for the purpose of testing their faith. But what is faith without proof? Anyone could claim to be sent of God. Moses and Christ proved it by the performance of many miracles, but where were Muhammad’s miracles? He confessed in the Quran to having none. (See Suras 2:118; 10:38; 11:13; 6:109, Ali)

Yet many Moslems claim he did perform miracles. Repeatedly the claim is made by them that he split the moon, for which they cite as proof Sura 54:1. However, first of all this text does not state that Muhammad split the moon. And Muslim commentators on this verse, which speaks of the moon’s having been cleft asunder, state that it may have appeared as such to Muhammad and his believers in the valley of Mecca; that it is to be taken allegorically or that it may still be fulfilled in the future. (See Ali.) The Bible’s account of creation as well as of the Flood is amply attested in the record found in rocks, by the science of geology, but where is there any proof that the moon was ever split?

Others insist that Muhammad did perform many miracles and that these were recorded in the Alhadith or Hadis, the record of Muhammadan tradition, which was systematized in the third century of the Muhammadan era. Among the miracles that Muhammad was said to have performed, as handed down by tradition, are: “The trees and rocks and mountains used to greet him near Mecca. Once when the people were very thirsty Mohammed filled all their jugs by having water gush forth from between his fingers. A tree was called to testify to Mohammed’s divine commission. The tree came, tearing the ground until it stood in his presence. Three times it testified to Mohammed’s being the prophet of God.” According to Sir William Muir, some half million of such traditions have been handed down.

However, here we find the same difficulty in tradition contradicting the written record as we find in Judaism and in professed Christianity. The Quran simply does not allow for any miracles. Plainly it quotes God as saying, “We refrain from sending Signs, only because men of former years treated them as false.” (Sura 17:59, Ali) That explicitly does not allow for any signs. If Muhammad had performed signs, why rebuke his hearers for asking for them; why should they complain because of their being none? Yet that is what the Quran does. The written word is ever more reliable than the tradition handed down orally, and we are further compelled to that conclusion by the very fantastic nature of these purported miracles.

2007-10-26 08:24:01 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

there is only one truth or reality i should say. when u say ur holding a pen right now but in reality is not, its not true and your lying. there are also things that are real, existing or present beyond just our senses like for ex. you didnt know that your girlfriend is already cheating on you and if only there is a satelite, you might discover its real and happening or "truth" and not gossip. same thing goes even before we had understanding and concepts to use to have knowledge. The "truth" is God's word is Jesus before religion is created. in my opinion, (i dont want to base on the bible like what you wanted for answers) Jesus is God who He claims He is-in a figure or nature were we can able to see God. because the nature of God is beyond our comprehension. (he doesnt even eat, no arms, dont know and will never level to see His whole structure) so it needs somthings to put together so we can see Him where our little minds can cope like Him being human in devine nature w/c is a symbol of solidarity to humanity by God. Words of Jesus never had any bad thing about God and his ways are godly ways. He teaches about "Love" instead of rules, false humility and practices. He even teaches us to love our enemies w/c are in my opinion..godly or surely heavenly things. sound doctrines w/c are new to the people of his time. if the father-creator-God is really concerned of humanity, He will put an end to Christianity if Jesus is not He who really is.. for many & many people are lead to Jesus. look whats happening..Christianity is increasing and muslims are getting fewer. Gods activity is obvious and the creators activity is w/ Jesus

2007-10-26 08:42:42 · answer #8 · answered by the beast 1 · 0 2

His Grace neither makes nor takes any sides,
as sides wars have side effects to both sides,
the most notable side effect to both being death.

So let Muslims vs Christians put away Law vs Law,
for such Law vs Law is biblically as if Loser vs Loser,
for anything divided against itself shall fall to desolation.

Being right to make others wrong, if "we all are one"?
Winning a sides war is as bad as losing a sides war!
His Grace is above both winning and losing sides wars.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

2007-10-26 08:30:10 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

we can't judge them. God loove to all religion, to all nations. You can't judge who is right who si wrong . Im catholic but i follow christian church. But i still feel that God loves moeslims too, as the stories i have ever rheqard from them. as long as you are really open to HIM, He always with you.

2007-10-26 11:18:01 · answer #10 · answered by msgrafis 4 · 0 0

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