If the Catholics believe in the idea of Transubstantiation, Christ being on the alter flesh and blood then ..?

Question

that would mean that He is there in the flesh literally according to the Catholic Church. BUT the Word says in Mark 13:21 that if Anyone says to you "LOOK! Here is Christ! or Look, there He is! Do not believe. Matthew 24:13, If anyone says to you BEHOLD, Here is the Christ or there He is, do not believe them.

For any Catholics who want to deny that the Catholic Church teaches that Christ is literally in the wafer and in the wine, you need to pay attention, because they do teach His literal presence.

He will not come in the flesh literally until He steps foot on the Mount of Olives and in the Temple in Jerusalem when they annoint His feet with the only annointing oil that exists of that kind which is not in the hands of the Catholic priests but of the Jewish priests.

Answer 1

I think that you have a good point.

I am not surprised in the answers you got. There was one or two who actually saw what you were talking about, but look at all the ones who seem to have a problem with you!

Jesus will not return until he comes with the ten thousands of his saints, not as a piece of bread that miraculously tastes like bread; and not as blood, which miraculously tastes like wine.
( As the Roman Catholics themselves teach - it is a miracle that they still taste like what they are - so convince they are that it must not be those things any more! )

Answer 2

On the night he was betrayed, Jesus took bread and said "This is My Body" and then He took some wine and said, "This is My Blood." Do this in remembrance of Me. Therefore, Jesus transformed the bread into His Body and the wine into His Blood. This is the biblical basis for the transubstantiation. These are in the bible so we must believe that Jesus did change the Bread into His Body otherwise, we are not following the bible. The priest in the mass is acting "in persona Christi". The priest by virtue of the sacrament of holy orders is given the power to transform the bread into Jesus' Body because the apostles were given this power by Christ, when He told Peter "you are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church. Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth is loose in heaven." So Peter was the first Pope and the apostles were the first priests or bishops and they passed on the power given to them by Christ to the rest of the Catholic Church. Long time ago, Christians and Catholics believed in this until Martin Luther and Henry the VIII changed the rules so protestants used to believe what Catholics now believe until the deception came so I think that is the story of the transubstantiation. In the Eucharist Jesus is truly present in His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity and there have been Eucharistic miracles where the Bread actually bled, to show us the Bread is Human Flesh indeed. The wine also turned into human Blood and the type of the Blood was AB and the blood type on the Bread was also AB which means they were owned by the same Person. Read the miracle of Lanciano and the other Eucharistic miracles. Maybe they might convince you some how. God bless.

Answer 3

The scripture verses you site assume that the person who says "LOOK! Here is Christ!" is not Christ. Catholics fully agree with these scriptures.

But we also believe it is Christ that says, "LOOK! Here is Christ!"

At the Last Supper, Jesus said, “Take this bread. It is my body.” Then he said, “Take this and drink. This is my blood. Do this in memory of me.”

Catholics believe this was the First Eucharist, that through a miracle the bread and wine actually became the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

Catholics reenact the Last Supper during every Mass, where God, acting through the priest, changes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

This is a great sacrament of thanksgiving and unity of Catholics.

By the way, the Orthodox, Lutheran and many Anglican Churches also believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 1322 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt1art3.htm

With love in Christ.

Answer 4

This is a core belief of Roman Catholics and is the source of the priest's power.
They must believe that when a priest says certain words over bread and wine that he changes them into actual flesh and blood of a man called Jesus Christ
Many people have died in past centuries as heretics for refusing to believe this.
After the priest has achieved the transubstantiation the devout Catholic is then required to eat the flesh thus taking part in cannibalism.

Answer 5

The verse Mark 13:21 is part of the Great Tribulation at close to second coming. It contained instruction and consolation exhorting, the disciples and the church to faith and obedience through the trials that would confront them (5-13).
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If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.
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If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
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False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.
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Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

Mark 13,20 but for the sake of the elect who he chose, he did shorten the days. Bible shows Jesus elect the apostles build his church upon Peter (the Rock not little rock is female name in Greek) Mt 16,18 and his church will never end. This is telling use do not look for the Messiah other places (other faiths, and churches) and not believe it. Their will be False messiahs and false prophets will arise will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead use because they were not elect (don't have the authority given personaly by Jesus) by Jesus Christ to be the true church of Christ he founded.

Answer 6

Okay, you're confusing the parouisa of Christ (second coming) with the Real Presence of Him in the Eucharist (which Christ instituted Himself, commanded us to observe, and what St. Paul taught in Sacred Scripture).

Yes, we DO believe in Christ's literal Presence in the bread and wine. Why? Because He gave it to us Himself! I don't think it gets any plainer than that.

Answer 7

You are confusing "literally" with "physically". In the Eucharist Christ is present literally, but spiritually. That's what He referred to when He said "my flesh is real [not symbolic] food; my blood is real [not symbolic] drink". When Christ comes again He will be present literally and physically.

Answer 8

6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father."

Since these are the words of Jesus, and this is what Catholics believe, I think we have a pretty good idea of whats correct

Answer 9

I see. We have an expert here. Someone ring the Vatican; after two milennia and thousands of Church scholars reading Scripture, they've somehow missed this.



Right.

Answer 10

Where does your authority to interpret Scripture come from? Does it come from God? Jesus commissioned only one Church to interpret the Bible. That happens to be the Catholic Church.

The doctrine of the Real Presence asserts that in the Holy Eucharist, Jesus is literally and wholly present—body and blood, soul and divinity—under the appearances of bread and wine. Evangelicals and Fundamentalists frequently attack this doctrine as "unbiblical," but the Bible is forthright in declaring it (cf. 1 Cor. 10:16–17, 11:23–29; and, most forcefully, John 6:32–71).

The early Church Fathers interpreted these passages literally. In summarizing the early Fathers’ teachings on Christ’s Real Presence, renowned Protestant historian of the early Church J. N. D. Kelly, writes: "Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood" (Early Christian Doctrines, 440).

From the Church’s early days, the Fathers referred to Christ’s presence in the Eucharist. Kelly writes: "Ignatius roundly declares that . . . [t]he bread is the flesh of Jesus, the cup his blood. Clearly he intends this realism to be taken strictly, for he makes it the basis of his argument against the Docetists’ denial of the reality of Christ’s body. . . . Irenaeus teaches that the bread and wine are really the Lord’s body and blood. His witness is, indeed, all the more impressive because he produces it quite incidentally while refuting the Gnostic and Docetic rejection of the Lord’s real humanity" (ibid., 197–98).

"Hippolytus speaks of ‘the body and the blood’ through which the Church is saved, and Tertullian regularly describes the bread as ‘the Lord’s body.’ The converted pagan, he remarks, ‘feeds on the richness of the Lord’s body, that is, on the Eucharist.’ The realism of his theology comes to light in the argument, based on the intimate relation of body and soul, that just as in baptism the body is washed with water so that the soul may be cleansed, so in the Eucharist ‘the flesh feeds upon Christ’s body and blood so that the soul may be filled with God.’ Clearly his assumption is that the Savior’s body and blood are as real as the baptismal water. Cyprian’s attitude is similar. Lapsed Christians who claim communion without doing penance, he declares, ‘do violence to his body and blood, a sin more heinous against the Lord with their hands and mouths than when they denied him.’ Later he expatiates on the terrifying consequences of profaning the sacrament, and the stories he tells confirm that he took the Real Presence literally" (ibid., 211–12).

Ignatius of Antioch

"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr

"We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66 [A.D.151].