Creation vs Big Bang?

Question

If matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed, just interchanged, where did the universe come from. At some point the matter had to be created right? I am looking to spark a serious debate here. Tell me what you believe and why. Don't say someone else is wrong, or stupid , etc.

Answer 1

Hmmm...so matter and energy always existed, but God didn't? Sorry, that's reaching.

I've done the research into several branches of science, both through evolutionary science and creation science. Creation makes the most sense, in pretty much every case. Every evolutionary resource that I've researched has blatantly ignored any evidence that would discount it. I'm not saying that creation scientists have it all figured out - no one does - but their evidence, their use science and logic, and their conclusions just plain line up better with the facts.

Let me ask this - if everything came about by random mutation and chance, why are there even scientific laws? How do we know that patterns we see will not just mutate somehow and leave us grasping for answers? How can we even begin to try to analyze data from the past, with no knowledge of what laws might have been in effect at that time? Without logic and order, which have to be set down by an intelligent source (hence the definitions of logic and order), we would not have science or scientific laws to follow. We would have randomly mutating chaos.

Do I know 100% what happened? Of course not. No one does. However, I am willing to take ALL of the evidence into account...and what I conclude is that it's next to impossible for the universe we live in to have fallen in place through random, uncontrolled chance. It just doesn't line up.

Answer 2

The impossible questions are always the best ones

CMB radiation sure sounds good right now but those scientists get paid to argue for the big bang and they ain't dumb and as they search they keep finding more stuff we didn't know of before doesn't mean much without a solid why but it's a thinker

when you take gods side there is no question except for when did he show up or was he just there

matter and energy is everything and when scientists put limitations on it they are stepping past there capabilities of proving when they haven't touched possibly half the types of matter or energy in the universe and there theories can be disproved

but for me I'm still gonna stick with god for a number of reasons

Answer 3

I can see your point and it is a logical one to be sure. You cannot get something from nothing and that is a lesson of life. But the equation that separates the Christian from the hard science line is 'faith', having faith that what God said He did, well, plain and simple He did it. Hard to believe? Well the moon was certainly placed in a very unique position--perfect placement I would have to say. The sun also, a little closer we are fried, a little further ice cubes. All by chance? The Bible says consider His handy work. The very thing we are discussing here. And sure we cannot put God in a Lab, and the universe itself being created is one we have to take by 'faith', but it is faith based on logic, based on what we see. And no I don't have any problem if you come up with a different conclusion. These are things we can debate about and do it intelligently.

Answer 4

First off, your "can neither be created nor destroyed" statement has been in question since quantum physics came on the scene way back in the 1930s. Virtual particles wink in and out of existence on the quantum level in a constant roiling flux of energies called "quantum foam." These virtual particle pairs mutually annihilate each other, as it is a case of matter versus antimatter. However, sometimes they do not destroy each other because their proximity to each other is not close enough anymore to do so, like in plasma high energy states, or even in false vacuum zero-energy scalar fields where even the slightest bit of energy potential, courtesy of quantum indeterminacy, could theoretically have big consequences, like a Big Bang. My point is, if a virtual particle gets promoted to a real particle, you have a new electron, photon, or whatever in the universe where there was none before. In the aggregate, there is energy pumped into the universe in many mysterious ways. I have named one of them and I won't bore you with the dark matter puzzle. If you have energy, you have matter vis-a-vis E=MC^2. As for how matter could be created a priori, I touched on that earlier when I mentioned a false vaccum and scalar fields. And Google is free, doncha know.

Answer 5

Um, not to burst anyones cosmological bubble, but the question of cosmic origins is far from settled, and yes there are theists involved in developing the basic science. Frankly, the Biblical answer is at least as definite as anything else on the table. For example, consider the puzzling Cosmic Microwave Background data that is inconsistent with the Big Bang assumption of unbounded space, discussed here:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/microwave.asp

Answer 6

Well god in Christianity is the all knowing being and creator of everything. We can only explain the laws in our place but in his place he does not apply his own laws he created to make sure that our place would not go out of balance. At some point there was nothing then came everything, because he wanted it.

It is a vague concept, but it is all many can base their belief on. Though of course I am a Christian, I wonder The Big Bang is a theory of the universe where there was everything that would be before it started to spread. In any point are the 2 theories somehow related into how that point can be of everything and nothing until a point of interests.

Answer 7

Creationism is a religious idea that the supernatural intervened in natural events. You could attribute any physical process (such as the black plague) to a god, and some men did. But that is an appeal to ignorance, as it does not explain the process by which it took place.

"I don't know" is more intellectually honest answer than "my god did it." I wait to be convinced of any god, or supernatural phenomenon. There simply is not the evidence to jump to conclusions yet.

Here is the evidence for the Big Bang (I'm not a scientist, so you may want to double check on this):

Cosmic background radiation
All galaxies and stellar objects are moving away from each other and accelerating. If you rewind this motion in time, all matter converges on a single point. That seems pretty clear to me. Could the Big Bang be falsified in the future? Sure, as science is about learning and updating knowledge via scrutiny, but I can bet you that the succeeding theory would not include a bearded man with a rule book. We're talking about a universe of 14 billion years and a trillion galaxies -- not reducible to cultural stories from only a few thousand years ago in the Middle East.

Answer 8

It's been sown in laboratories that you can have a net increase in "stuff" without violating these rules.

A particle, along with its anti-particle can enter the universe. (this has been witnessed in laboratories). When these two objects meet, they are gone, but while they are both here. there is still more "stuff". Check out a topic called "vacuum fluxuations".

I have it on good authority that none of the scientists working in this field makes any claims at being God or the creator of the universe.

Answer 9

Science says that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but science can only describe the how, not tell us the WHY.

I have no idea where the universe came from, nor where it's going, but either way there's probably no way we'll ever know for certain.

Answer 10

"At some point the matter had to be created right?"

Does it? What if the universe has always existed in some shape or form (the Big Bang being merely an event in an endless cycle of universes). We have a tendency, or rather a strange need, to believe that everything has to be created, when in fact it is entirely possible - and probable - that the greater universe never required creation.