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Well the country of Iraq held their first election ever...how many different kinds of democracy are there? The US will always have a presence in Iraq.

2007-10-25 15:41:01 · answer #1 · answered by erehwon 4 · 0 1

The democracy the USA brought to Iraq is on par with the ones it "brought" to Vietnam and Afghanistan, that is a sham democracy.

What the US administration consistantly fails to recognise is that democracy is something a nation grows in to over decades to hundreds of years. Democracy requires not only education of a countries people but also a suitable cultural background to work properly. Forcing democracy on a nation does not and will not work.

Iraq like most of the Arab states is essentially tribal in nature and have a very different ethos to the Western nations and they alone should have the deciding right as to what type of government they want, be it secular, non secular, democracy, oligarchy, tyrant or dictatorship. We in the West have no right to tell others how to live their lives as they are not us.

As to withdrawl of the troops, who knows but if Cheney has his way it won't be happening anytime soon.

2007-10-25 15:40:25 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Stop and think for a moment about what democracy is.

Democracy is factions of people fighting over power and/or control of unearned wealth.

Consider what the Fathers of the Constitution of the United States of America had in mind as espoused by the author of this statement in The Federalist on democracies: "it may be concluded that a pure democracy...can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction...[as] there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."


In 1848, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels published "The Communist Manifesto".

At that time the USA was still primarily a Constitutional Republic with a capitalist system.

A capitalist system is not a [pure] democracy. It is a system of checks and balances so ordered by the Constitution to protect the rights of the individual, from criminals and most importantly from the democratically elected voices who claim to speak for the "public good." It is a limited "democracy".


In the 1890's, John Dewey, an American educational philosopher and proponent of modern public schools uttered these statements.

"The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent." 1899

"Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations." 1896

How about this comment from the U.S. Commissioner of Education, William T. Harris, in 1889?

"Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent over education from happening. The average American (should be) content with their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about any other role."


For about 120 years, socialists have been working to undermine the Constitution of the USA and their primary weapons have been propaganda in lieu of education, activist jurists and democracy.

During the run up to the invasion of Iraq I questioned the wisdom of the rhetoric used, as in the term "spreading democracy".

As an American, that's the last thing we should be spreading. The idea of liberty, as precarious as it currently is in the US, is what we should be spreading. If the newly liberated decide to surrender it to democracy, well so be it. Just don’t start electing to power people who threaten to attack or attack the USA.

The only useful purpose of democracy in such cases is to make it easier to ferret out the enemies of liberty.

One should never confuse democracy with liberty.

I would have to say America brought to Iraq the most pure form of advanced democracy known to man.


As far as when the troops will leave Iraq. That's easy. When the enemy gives up or moves on. In which case we will chase them wherever they go, in fact we may be there before them.

Any, and let me reiterate, ANY President who fails to do this will be out on his/her ear next cycle (if not before), and they know it. They may be telling the people what they want to hear but the Constitution demands they complete the job started by Mr. Bush and in a Constitutional republic, even one as corrupted by socialist democracy as this one, their allegiance should be to the Constitution and not the people. It is the Constitution that protects the people, not the civilian government.

If this war goes on long enough, we may wind up with a pared down Constitutional government in order to fund the war.

The best outcome conceivable is a defeated enemy abroad (Islamo-fascists) and at home (socialists).

Feel free to consider me a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society that’s been shoved in my face.

Collectivism holds the group as the primary, and the standard of moral value. Whether that group is a dictator's gang, the nation, society, the race, (the) god(s), the majority, the community, the tribe, etc., is irrelevant -- the point is that man in principle is a sacrificial victim, whose only value is his ability to sacrifice his happiness for the will of the "group".

The opposite of collectivism is individualism. Individualism declares that each and every man may live his own life for his own happiness, as an end to himself. Politically, the result of such a principle is capitalism: a social system where the individual does not live by permission of others, but by inalienable right.

The same inalienable rights found you know where. That’s right, the Constitution of the United States of America. Read it sometime.

Honestly, is it lost on most people that the USA’s trek down the road to being the “Great Satan” coincides neatly with our experiment in socialist democracy?

2007-10-25 18:35:43 · answer #3 · answered by crunch 6 · 0 0

Barzani and Talabani who have tribe democracy. only contribution of the US

2007-10-28 22:33:54 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

none yet.... its work in progress. well withdraw when the gop is out of power

2007-10-25 15:37:31 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

not yet,but someday,veterans will visit there as a vacation paradise

2007-10-26 08:22:10 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

A PUPPET GOVERNMENT

2007-10-25 18:44:25 · answer #7 · answered by brainstorm 7 · 2 0

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