Us Pagans/ Heathens dont mind them using our holidays.
Easter, Christmas, Halloween, I have heard thanksgiving claimed with reasonable reasoning.
These are our holidays. Yule and Christmas are identical, in about every way. (when you de-victorianize it). Easter is identical, to ours. and Halloween is a christian holiday anyways.
So why dont you share? These our your traditions to.
So is it just me, or are fundies really stuck up and vainly prideful? (Which is a sin.)
2007-10-25 07:05:12 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Hey guys. Sry I need to clarify Fundies.
The people who go around complaining about traditions, and calling them "Satanic holidays."
This mostly regards Halloween. However Christmas IS a clone of Yule. All the traditions and things done where done first by Heathens.
To the guy who posted first... Im halfway between wanting to slap you, and wanting to give you a high 5.
Yule outdates "Demons". So its traditions also outdate them. Meaning "its related to demons". Is slander, and a straight lie. Speaking historically. I dont care what you believe, but you have nothing to back that claim up.
and Easter is also a copy of the Heathen tradition worshipping the All mother. Its about new life and innocence.(which is what the Resurection of christ was about.)
To be Satanic Satan has to be involved. I think Satan is a joke, so naturally he isnt involved. The world is not black and white. Not "good" and "evil". So please dotn say it is.
2007-10-25 07:42:55 · update #1
Well, I'm not a fundie, but I don't want to share it with them!
They were OUR holidays first. They as much as stole it from us, perverted them with their newbie rituals (2000 years is pretty new compared to the age they originate from)...
And as if this isn't enough, they now pretend as if they own them. Phah!!
*eyes dart to the sword*
Our honoured ancestors knew how to deal with this sort of a thing.
2007-10-25 11:40:45 · answer #1 · answered by Ymmo the Heathen 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I'm being serious here - what do you mean about fundies not sharing holidays?? (I really don't understand but would like to so I can try to help.)
By the way I'm Episcopalian so I do NOT consider myself a fundie. I'm a liberal. :-)
And, I think it is kind of funny that a lot of Christian traditions came from pagans.... and that the Catholic church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday (as to the reason why, I don't know)....
It's all just a learning experience and an eye opener that we really shouldn't judge people or exclude them just because they're "pagan." Really, pagan just meant from the country, people who lived out in the woods and far from the "civilization" of the church and town life way back in the day. Now it's got this whole other sinister meaning.
LAST ENT WIFE - check out this "adorable" little webpage.
http://www.freewebs.com/messianic7thday/sabbath.html
2007-10-25 14:11:26 · answer #2 · answered by Kiwi 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Like Ymmo said, why share 'em they are our holidays to begin with. If you look in History the first Christians didn't not celebrate any holidays, for the reason that celebrating anything such as Birthdays etc is celebrating something/one other then Yahweh and that itself is a sin, if I remember it was/is the first of the Ten Commandments, thou shall not celebrate any other god. I love the holidays from Samhain to Beltane, from Yule to Ostara. To me to celebrate the holidays celebrates the God/Goddess and each represents life from birth to death/rebirth. They can sugar coat Yule as Christmas, Ostara as Easter that is there right, just as it is ours to celebrate our sabbats. So why share their holidays, ours are much better, IMHO and have more meaning since they relate to the living world. As the nights get longer and the weather get colder, it brings the promise of new life, we cannot have life without death and it deserves the same respect and celebration, if not more. In this time Motherhood/Fatherhood gives way to the Crone/Sage stage of life with the promise of the Madien/Lad will be here again. Everybody have a Happy Samhain
2007-10-25 20:39:53 · answer #3 · answered by Ed 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I can share just fine. Apparently you didn't read my answer about Halloween.
When I celebrate Christmas, I'm celebrating the birth of Christ. I know it wasn't on Dec 25th, and I know that the end of December has been a winter solstice since before His human birth. I know that the decorating of an evergreen tree and the burning of the yule log are ancient symbols for the demon Ashtaroth and Baal.
I know that the rabbit and the egg are symbols of the demon Ishtar and her consorts. But when I celebrate Easter, I am celebrating the resurrection of Christ.
It's a matter of HEART. So I will share just fine, you celebrate it your way, and I will celebrate it mine, providing you can get over the fact that I chose to celebrate the holiday differently from you. We "stole" nothing from pagans, we simply offered up an alternate interpretation of the holiday. How 'bout we get over it, eh?
EDIT - Kiwi; Ah, the adorable "liberal" Christian. Please study your Bible, the book of Acts. The worship day was changed to Sunday by Peter and the apostles, as they met on the "FIRST day of the week in prayer and worship..." and what is the first day of the week on the Hebrew calendar? Sunday. No catholic conspiracy there, sorry.
EDIT EDIT
I apologize, I forgot the word "demon" offends people. Ignore demon and substitute the words "ancient thing that was worshiped as a god or demi-god." Ashtaroth, Ishtar, Baal, Dagon are ancient things that were, and in some places still are, worshiped. I consider these things to be demons. You may want to call them something else. Semantics was not my point here.
EDIT EDIT EDIT - And as far as I know from my Satanist contacts, demons are a Christian-only idea, Satanists are mostly atheists who adhere to a strict code. So by using the word demon I am not in any way indicating a link to Satan or Satanism, I am merely indicating my Christian worldview.
2007-10-25 14:08:47 · answer #4 · answered by Last Ent Wife (RCIA) 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Because admitting that Easter came from the Germanic celebration of Eostara or that Christmas is a mish mosh of pagan European Yule celebration and the pagan Middle Eastern celebration of the rebirth of the invincible Sun God will link us to them.
And they like to consider themselves HOLIER than we are.
2007-10-25 14:14:14 · answer #5 · answered by pixie_pagan 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
So you think Satan is a joke? Think so still till experience changes your mind. (adapted from C. Marlowe).
2007-10-25 22:35:19 · answer #6 · answered by dogge 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Okay. But I don't want Halloween.
2007-10-25 14:09:18 · answer #7 · answered by Gal from Yellow Flat 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
You forget, they fear us.
Sad, but true. We're friendly folk, but they interpret our words and actions as demonically inspired.
2007-10-25 14:09:23 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
What are fundies, is that people who like to have fun.
2007-10-25 14:11:42 · answer #9 · answered by preacher 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
We made rival holidays to yours. We didn't christianize/copy them.
2007-10-25 14:10:23 · answer #10 · answered by Defender of Freedom 5 · 1⤊ 4⤋