Abortion Question ??? One of the reasons given for right to choose abortion is that unwanted children often...

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grow up to be unhappy , drug addicted people who do harm to society , even killing one or more people . Therefore is is OK to terminate the fetus to avoid FUTURE wrong . Yet the Churches , especially the Roman Catholic one ,warehouse lots of property like St.Patrick's Cathedral , the Vatican , and billions of dollars in artwork and historical artifacts . They claim that these possessions are necessary to ensure the FUTURE strenth of the church so that they can continue to do good work in the future . Yet converting all their unecessary assets ( while allowing to have spaces large enough to hold worship and meeting services ) could produce well over a trillion dollars in funds that could be used to save the children dying of starvation , disease and war , right now . So the church is allowing these children ,and adults , to die for FUTURE considerations . How is this morally different from abortion ? And other anti-abortion churches also have big NYC 5th Ave. property and such .

Dani , you totally misread my question . Which is basically is the church being hypocritcal when it says abortion is wrong yet allows children to die because it wants to hold on to it's possessions such as valuable paintings ( that aren't even displayed to the general public ) , fancy resorts for it's priests , and large expensive icons such as St. Patricks Cathedral , when money from the sale of these LUXURIES could be used to keep starving children alive ans even provide a high level of support for women considering abortion .
PS , Just try getting a non white , non American , non healthy child adopted ! People just go out and use artificial isemination and substitute birth mothers in this country .

Danny that is a load of BS . The VAtican has the art and antiquities behind closed doors . These works would be purchased by museums and private collectors who allow them to tour museums .
And what IS more valuable the "priceless" history of these churches , or the supposed intent of the religion which is to help people . If your child were dying which would you choose ? And I am not saying that the churches have to sell everything , just the expensive and purely ornamental items , and the unused property , or the property that can be replaced with cheaper locations . e.g. 3rd ave. vs 5th ave. NYC .
And that is exactly my point , my question . Do we worry about how far in the future that 1 to 10 trillion dollars would go if not invested , or do we worry about the life we save today ? People who support Abortion Rights say that abortion is good for society ( and some mothers ) in the LONG RUN . Anti -abortionists are saying that you need to worry about saving that fetus today .

Bubba G , good answer , although I believe in contraception and abortion on demand until a fetus is viable outside the uterus .

Allen int... Everytime a man doesn't put his living spem with a fetile egg is is washing life down the drain . That means every women should never allow an egg to be flushed out of her body without trying to conceive . And a man shold have waiting , willing and able women ready to receive as much sperm as he produces . Even in the same bed with each other so that he may divide his bounty .

afb drum ,
why does the NUN who oversees Convenent House need Hundreds of thounds of dollers a year salary to do "god's work " ? Why does the Bishop of Rockville Center need a million dollar apartment to live in ? Why did the Cardinal of NYC refuse spoil his view although the Billions of dollars from leasing the airspace above the small 5th ave. cemetary could have saved countless lives . And why did the NYC arch Diocese spend over a million dollars getting condoms taken out of NYC high schools ?

PS I never said ALL or even Most children of unwanted pregancies wind up unhappy or even killing other people . I did say many do . That is a fact .

Evolved , you don't HAVE to give a doctor a reason for getting an abortion !
And I never said that it was a reason for having an abortion . I said that it was a reason to allow people to have a right to choose an abortion .

ldybugg9 , I never said 'all' ( see above) .
I am glad you are with us . You seem to be a good person . You're mother did a good job . But what if she had been an AIDS infested , black , crack loaded , uneducated , delusional whore , who would have only used you as an excuse for welefare money ? ( Don't mean to be racist but black babies are the least likely to be adopted .)

Answer 1

I can understand your question and can see both sides of the story.

First, as an unwanted child myself, my mother put me up for adoption instead of killing me as she well could have done. And I grew up to be fine and a productive member of the community and frankly and quite glad to be alive. So to categorize all unwanted pregnancies as degenerate problems of society wouldn't be exactly fair.

On the other end of the spectrum, the churches with the hoarding of all their wealth are not living up to their title as Christians or "Christlike".

Through the ages the lavish wealth of religions that profess Christianity has disturbed many people. Popes, bishops, and other religious dignitaries have lived in splendor supported by their flocks, many of whom have existed in poverty. The situation has not changed in modern times.

“Christ,” the U.S.News & World Report observed recently, “was a humble man who eschewed the accumulation of material wealth.” Comparing his example with the life-styles of TV evangelists, this popular newsmagazine said: “The Bakkers, on the other hand, drove a Mercedes-Benz and a Rolls-Royce. Oral Roberts has homes in Oklahoma, Beverly Hills and Rancho Mirage, Calif. Swaggart wears a $5,000 Rolex watch and lives on a 20-acre [8 ha], $2.4 million estate protected by a brick wall and hidden cameras. The master suite reportedly features a four-columned Jacuzzi.”—March 7, 1988, page 63.

When professed Christian leaders adopt opulent life-styles, might it not make others wonder about their credentials as Christ’s true followers, especially since the apostle Peter said that Christ left his followers “a model for [them] to follow his steps closely”?—1 Peter 2:21

Answer 2

I can"speak for Muslim"s I can speak for Christians and from the Bible abortion is cold blooded pre mediated murder of the helpless and is no different than going into a hospital and shooting into the nursery both are dead the baby is a living soul from the moment of conception Ps 139:13-16 if you harm an un born baby or fetus you are held accountable for murder and were put to death for such heinous crimes against both God and humanity Ex 21:22,23 EX 20:13 a direct command not to murder Rom 14:12 even if it is "legal in some backward places you are still going to be held accountable by God Gen 9:6 1st John 3:15 this has been the law from day one and still remains such now and forever children are a blessing and a reward Ps127:3-5 for those who do not want their children for some unknown reason there is always adoption there is a long list of people who want a baby and can not have one of their own and would gladly take any child so there is always a way out and murder is never an option

Answer 3

I think I can see what you are saying. It is pretty awful for the church to be hoarding all that wealth when they could be using it to help people who need help right *now* and trusting God to provide for their future. But since the catholic church is a false religion anyways I'm not surprised that they are doing things backwards.

As for the question about abortion, I see that as very faulty logic on the part of the people who actually use that excuse. There is NO guarantee that the child will grow up to be a criminal! Do these people think they are God? Besides that, in ending that child's life they themselves become guilty of the murder they think they are preventing...how's that for a crazy twist in their logic?? Abortion isn't the answer to their problem. They could always be a hero and carry the baby to term and then give him up for adoption. Someone wants that child, guaranteed. More couples are seeking to adopt babies in the U.S. than the number of abortions performed each year (so I've heard). If you don't want children, don't have sex. It's as simple as that. Birth control isn't 100% and the children shouldn't be the ones to pay for the selfishness or carelessness of the parents. No sir. Same goes with "rape babies". Abort the darn rapist, let that child live. He didn't get to determine how his conception would play out....let him live. Castrate the rapist to keep him from creating more kids.

Answer 4

Do you think they spent trillions building that stuff? Those churches and works of art are being held in trust for humanity. St Peter's Cathedral in the Vatican is on the books as being worth $1. The art would be lost to private collectors if they were to liquidate them. The history that is held in most of the "valuable real estate" is priceless. Do you think they should sell the 5th ave church so that they can build another skyscraper? There's more to the buildings of the churches than just the monetary value, and I think that's something a lot of people forget.
Also, how far do you thing a trillion dollars would go? It might last a few years, and it would probably help a lot of people, but poverty isn't something you can just throw money at. It's a sociological problem. You have to address both the rich and the poor. The poor don't know how not to be poor and the rich don't know how to be not so rich. Another example is Bill Gates (bear with me). For the longest time people criticized him for not donating to charity, and all he did was say, it's my money, I'll do what I want. He let it grow, and now he's the largest private donor of money to charity in the world. There's something to be said to being able to spend a billion a year for a very long time instead of spending a trillion now and not having anything left later.
As far as abortion goes, there are other options than raising a child in a crappy home. If you give the child up for adoption as an infant, it can live a very happy life growing up in a loving and nurturing environment. I should know, my cousin was born to a 16 year old who was off the streets. Sure, her life would have been crap if her mother had kept her, but she was given a chance by not being aborted.

Answer 5

Wow good point, First let me say I am a Christian, I attend chruch regularly so Don't take this the wrong way. I think that some of the churchs of the world need to stop focusing on the traditions and glamor of the world.

It is just like the Pharises in the bible. they loved to wear fancy things and sit in seats of honor but they missed the point.

A good church should be out to support the children of the world and poverty and giving to the poor and imprissoned.

My church is very humble but churches like mine are few and far between.

So I will say that I agree that both are equally bad things. I would say I do not agree with either concept of Abortion or church hoarding

Thanks and God Bless

Answer 6

Ok, so you all think that you can play God and assume that those babies will grow up to be troubled??? You can foretell the future??? That is a sick display of pride and ignorance. Children grow up to have problems thanks to the atmosphere of their families, that is just plain common sense. If you had any idea how much the catholic Church does for needy people you wouldn't be saying such ignorant things. Go ask the UN and all the governments why they allot so much money to solve these problems and yet fix nothing.

Answer 7

You do realize that Dave Thomas of Wendy's as well as Dwight D. Eisenhower were as you say unwanted unhappy, drug addicted outcast. Would you have had them ground up, and flushed down the drain with the other 1,400,000 a year as well?

Answer 8

"One of the reasons given for right to choose abortion is that unwanted children often...grow up to be unhappy , drug addicted people who do harm to society , even killing one or more people"

That is absurd and I have NEVER heard that given as a reason for an abortion. I doubt any doctor would perform it under that circumstance.

Atheist.

Answer 9

Sounds like it is time to sell your car, move into a hovel, and eat beans. Or is it possible that you have offered up an argument that you yourself do not believe in?

Why waste your time in such senseless activity? If you support an idea, consider carefully why, then thoughtfully offer sound arguments in its support. This sort of graffiti insults us both.

Answer 10

So....your argument is better kill the baby, then have them grow up and *possibly* be in an unhappy home? Well alright then.. That makes sense. I mean why adopt the baby out to a family who desperately wants a child when we can just murder the baby and save everyone the hassle.