2007-10-25 04:14:23 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous in Travel ➔ Africa & Middle East ➔ Israel
" We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
-David Ben Gurion, in his diary July 1948
2007-10-25 04:31:47 · update #1
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Aushwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-David Ben Gurion
2007-10-25 04:33:10 · update #2
"The UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system. But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
-Former South African President Nelson Mandela (Pretoria, December 4, 1977)
2007-10-25 11:33:05 · update #3
The Israeli Zionist regime will eventually vanish in the sky. Zionism the missing link in the Jewish state 60 years of wars and no peace. Peace and Zionism do not go to gather.
2007-10-25 14:44:40 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 5⤋
How is Israel an apartheid state when it has Arab political parties in the Knesset, including an Islamic party? Israel is a Jewish state the same way Denmark is officially a Christian state, so Denmark is an apartheid state too since it has many Muslims and Atheists?
If you ever watched Palestinian TV you would hear a lot worse things than what Ben Gurion wrote assuming it was even true that he wrote any of that. And he died in 1973 and his party isn't even in power anymore so his words mean little in modern Israeli politics.
Why don't you take a trip to Israel and see what it is really like
2007-10-25 05:39:47 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 3⤋
You got it wrong. That "quote" from Ben-Gurion's diary is a fake. He never wrote what you (and anti-Semites all over the Web) have attributed to him. For shame!
Similarly with the second quote -- it appears only in Arab writings and not in anything Ben-Gurion ever wrote.
Former president Jimmy Carter is a paid propagandist for the Arabs. Carter has now come up with a nonsensical new bestselling book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid."
It's not clear what he means by using the loaded word "apartheid," since the book makes no attempt to explain it, but the only reasonable interpretation is that Carter is comparing Israel to the former white racist government of South Africa.
That is a foolish and unfair comparison, unworthy of the man who won - and deserved - the Nobel peace prize for bringing Israel and Egypt together in the Camp David Accords, and who has lent such lustre to the imaginary office of former president.
What's the parallel? Apartheid had a philosophical component and a practical one, both quite bizarre. Philosophically, it was committed to the notion of racial superiority. The official philosophy of the Israel government is quite the opposite, and sincere efforts are made to, for example, instill humanitarian and egalitarian attitudes in children.
That is not true, of course, in Arab countries, where hatred of Jews is a standard part of the curriculum.
The practical component of apartheid involved the creation of phoney nations called "Bantustans." Black South Africans would be stripped of their citizenship and assigned to far-away Bantustans where often they had never before set foot. The goal was a racially pure white South Africa, though the contradiction with the need for black labour was never resolved.
Here might be a parallel with Israel, which needs the labour of the Arabs it is currently trying to keep out.
But in other ways, the implied comparison is backward. To start, no one has yet thought to accuse Israel of creating a phony country in finally acquiescing to the creation of a Palestinian state. Palestine is no Bantustan. Or, if it is, it is the creation of Arabs, not Jews.
Furthermore, Israel has always had Arab citizens. They are Arabs who were living in what became Israel prior to 1948 and who didn't leave. No doubt they suffer discrimination. Nevertheless, they are citizens with the right to vote and so on. There used to be Jews living in Arab nations, but they also fled in 1948 and subsequent years - in numbers roughly equivalent to the Arabs who fled Israel. Now there are virtually no Jews in Arab countries - even in a moderate Arab country like Jordan. How many Jews do you think there will be in the new sovereign state of Palestine?
And the most tragic difference: apartheid ended peacefully. This is largely thanks to Nelson Mandela, who turned out to be miraculously forgiving. If Israel is white South Africa and the Palestinians are supposed to be the black population, where is their Mandela?
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2007-10-25 06:24:07 · answer #3 · answered by Ivri_Anokhi 6 · 6⤊ 3⤋
you have it all wrong israel is an Apartheid state.dont ever compare israel to south africa, you dont know what you are talking about.only people who are ignorant or anti israel will have this brain washed thaught.
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:
We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland (Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War, London: Oxford University Press, 1985, p. 140).
Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens with voting rights and representation in the government. Under apartheid black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they are the overwhelming majority of the population.
The situation of Palestinians in the territories—won by Israel in a defensive war forced upon it by its neighbors—is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, have forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. The Palestinians in the territories, typically, dispute Israel’s right to exist whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime.
If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step.
Meanwhile, Palestinians from the territories are allowed to work in Israel and receive similar pay and benefits to their Jewish counterparts. They are allowed to attend schools and universities. Palestinians have been given opportunities to run many of their own affairs. None of this was true for South African blacks.
Israeli arabs are allowed to vote and many have been chosen for the kneset (israeli parliament) National Democratic Assembly has 3 repressentatives, ALL ARE ARABS.
Said Naffaa
Wasil Taha
Jamal Zahalka to name but a few.
israeli arabs can marry who they want and can live where they want.
and of course go to any restaurant and cinemma as they please.
if they want to go to a jewish school and study in hebrew its there choice, there are many mixed schools in jaffa and in haifa.
there is a very high attendance of the arab population at the israeli universities.
2007-10-25 04:21:18 · answer #4 · answered by dandyl 7 · 8⤊ 4⤋
You know your absolutely right, since Israel is an Apartheid state like South Africa there should be a Prohibition against Arabs voting.
But wait, 10% of of the Israeli parlament is Arab, with several Arab parties and Arab members in the major parties.
Majalli Wahabi was even the interm-President this year.
So how are we going to do this?
Ah I know lets follow the PA method, They claim that the entire West Bank is theirs, including East Jerusalem. So I wonder why over 400,000 Jews in the West Bank were not allowed to vote in the PA elections?
2007-10-25 05:40:17 · answer #5 · answered by Gamla Joe 7 · 7⤊ 3⤋
The official Palestinian Authority newspaper AL HAYAT AL JADIDA has published reports confirming that the Palestinians fled their homes in 1948 because they were ordered to do so by Arab leaders. Journalist Mahmud Al-Habbash confirms that the Palestinians were deceived into leaving by false promises of a prompt return.
This has also been confirmed by numerous others including Arab Politician and Knesset member Ibraham Sarsur, and also Palestinian Journalist Fuad Abu Higla.
The Palestinians ARE victims - but mainly because of what their Arab leaders told them, as illustrated here.
THE SKIPPER - well said.
2007-10-25 04:48:24 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 2⤋
It never began. How can you end what never started? If Israel was an apartheid country, there would be no Arabs living there. As it is, Arabs and Israelis enjoy the same freedoms.
2007-10-25 04:38:59 · answer #7 · answered by Janice 4 · 5⤊ 2⤋
Israel bans israeli jews from marrying israeli arabs, requires separate cinemas, schools, restaurants and buses? Israeli arabs aren't allowed to vote or be in the knesset? How old were you in the 90s? You either don't remember what apartheid was or have no idea about the laws that exist in Israel.
TAL: Feel free to enligthten me. maybe I missed where arabs were suddenly banned from the knesset as Blacks were from the south african congress?
2007-10-25 04:28:11 · answer #8 · answered by Rossonero NorCal SFECU 7 · 6⤊ 6⤋
Apartheid in Israel ? H-m-m-m-m, lets see here.
How many Muslims live in Israel? . . . . . . . . . . 800,000+
How many Jews live in Gaza/West Bank?. . . 0
How many Arab Christians/ Druze/Bedouin serve in the IDF?. . . 20%
How many Jews serve in Fatah/Hamas? . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0%
How many Muslims pray freely at Al Aqsa . . . . . . 40,000+
How many Jews pray freely at the Patriachs' tomb . . . .0
How many Arab Muslims and Christians hold Israeli passports they can use any time to leave or enter
the country . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000+
How many Jews have PA passports period? . . . . . . . . . . 0
How many mosques are in Israel? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3500 +
How many synagogues are in PA territory? . . . . . . . . . . 0
How many churches are in Israel? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2500 +
How many churches are in PA territory? . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0
How many Israeli Mohammedans/Christians have full
medical coverage/old age pensions in Israel? . . . . .900,000+
How many Jews have full medical coverage/old age
pensions in PA territories? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0
How many Jews have been lynched in PA territories? . . . 57
How many Israeli Arabs have been lynched in Israel . . . . . . 0
When will pig-ignorant idiots stop comparing Israel to South Africa? . . . . . . Who knows and, frankly, who cares?
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2007-10-25 05:05:57 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 4⤋
What apartheid?
2007-10-25 10:27:23 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋