Traditions of the Catholic church?

Question

I asked a question a minute ago and one of the responders said "What many people fail to understand is what "traditions" are. These are not man made traditions. This is called "sacred traditions". One must remember not everything that Jesus spoke or taught was written down, but was passed on word of mouth to the Apostles and by the Apostles. These sacred traditions are still the teachings of Christ."

They say these traditions come from Jesus. That they can all be traced back to Him. What about the assumption of Mary? Jesus was no longer on Earth when she died. How did He teach this then? Doesn't it mean that this tradition could not possibly be based upon Jesus' teachings?

icedchris330 - actually the assumption has been declared as dogma by a pope and I believe he was supposed to be speaking ex cathedra.

Father K - yes the church is the body of Christ but that is not what the Catholics claim. They claim all tradition is directly from Christ. Quite frankly I could care less about the assumption of Mary. I don't believe it but it is not a big deal. But if I can get them to realize one tradition is wrong I have gotten them to take the first step towards being a protestant.

Answer 1

If these traditions were to be a part of our faith, our "religion" would God not have put it in His word? Is the Bible not the absolute Word of God, a "how to live" guide, as it were? How can one state that they believe the Bible as God's word, and then turn around and say that God would not make something like these "necessary sacred traditions" known to all of His called people?

That simply does not make sense. It is like the rosary, or the prayer a priest will direct you to say after confessing to him. The Bible is strict about repetitive prayer. Yet the Catholic priest will tell one who has just confessed to say 'x' amount of Our Father's, as they call it, and 'x' amount of Hail Mary's. Talk about going against God's own Word. Yet this is part of their tradition.

The same can be said for infant baptism. There is not one thing in the Bible stating that children must be baptized. But boy, the Catholic church insists on it. Before we were saved and became Christians, my husband and I were looking to have our oldest daughter baptized, yes, alas, in the Catholic church. The priest said no, because my husband, at 18, was married for 7 months. Yes, sin, we both know that. However, and here's the punline, for $1500 he would have the marriage annulled in the eyes of God and we would then be considered married!! He actually asked us to pay off God, didn't he? LOL LOL LOL

Ok, ok. You got me fired up again. LOL I better go.....

God bless.

Answer 2

Sacred Tradition does not always come from Christ, they also came from the apostles.

The Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Mother is rooted in Sacred Tradition.

For more information about this subject please go to this link.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0832.htm

Since the Immaculate Conception and Assumption are not explicit in Scripture, Fundamentalists conclude that the doctrines are false. Here, of course, we get into an entirely separate matter, the question of sola scriptura, or the Protestant "Bible only" theory. That would be another topic. Let it just be said that if the position of the Catholic Church is true, then the notion of sola scriptura is false. There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

Answer 3

Not all traditions come directly from scripture. Those traditions (the rosary, for example) that do not come from the Bible are pious practice and belief rather than tradition. They come from the experiences and practices of the saints who have gone before.
The assumption of Mary is not based on scripture, but on pious belief. Remember, though, that Enoch and Elijah were taken into heaven without the 'benefit' of dying, so the belief that Mary was assumed into heaven is not without merit. Some choose to believe it, some don't.

Answer 4

The Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology. The Catholic Church excuses and denies its pagan origin beneath the mask of “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.
The assumption of Mary is just another myth.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

Answer 5

What was written in the Bible is that Jesus himself spoke against traditions so the Church's assertions that he then did a 180 and favored them is hardly believable. The claim that the traditions were passed down from the Apostles is only to give the traditions weight. Research into most traditions show that most of them started many, many years after Jesus even existed on earth!

Answer 6

We all need Jesus Christ for our salvation. However, we have many different worship styles and some of them are traditions. I follow Jesus over any traditions. For example, I believe that Jesus wanted everyone to have communion who want to remember what He did for us o the cross. The Bible does not tell that you need to go to specific church's school before you can have communion.

Answer 7

The bible is merely Catholic church tradition reduced to writing.

And since the Holy Spirit was assigned by Jesus to be the eternal guide and comforter of the authentic and universal church, tradition is also the way the Spirit infallibly guides the church, from age to age.

And since it is the Holy Spirit who can be observed in Revelation 11, dropping by to "pick up" the Blessed Virgin, body and soul, (Mary is the "Ark" seen in the heavenly Temple) and assume her into heavenly glory, that should be more than good enough for anyone.

It is St. John, the writer of the book of Revelation, who passed this bit of knowledge along to the church ... via oral tradition.

St. John also indicated that Revelation 12 described The Blessed Virgin's coronation as Queen of Heaven.

He ought to know. St. John was closer to the Blessed Virgin than anyone .. except for Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

From this and other valid sources, the church can teach with divine certainty:

40. Hence the revered Mother of God, from all eternity joined in a hidden way with Jesus Christ in one and the same decree of predestination,[47] immaculate in her conception, a most perfect virgin in her divine motherhood, the noble associate of the divine Redeemer who has won a complete triumph over sin and its consequences, finally obtained, as the supreme culmination of her privileges, that she should be preserved free from the corruption of the tomb and that, like her own Son, having overcome death, she might be taken up body and soul to the glory of heaven where, as Queen, she sits in splendor at the right hand of her Son, the immortal King of the Ages.[48]

Answer 8

Your misunderstanding (based on the fact that you have learned nor studied anything outside of the ramblings of the Reformation) comes from the fact that you do not look at the clear warrant of your own Holy Scriptures. St. Paul was clear...the ekklesia is the Body of Christ...sort of (as St. Anselm, who was a solid Christian 1,000 years before Father Luther was born, said) a "second Incarnation" - both human and divine.

Answer 9

The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite. If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first. The sermons of St. Jerome and St. Augustine for this feast, however, are spurious. St. John of Damascus (P. G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem:


St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT'S ALL NONSENSE, THE WHOLE BLOODY LOT OF IT!!

Answer 10

I agree, these teaching are not from Jesus, they are man made, not Biblical and against the Bibles Teaching. This is one reason I left the Catholic Church