Bible Readers: Is the "about half an hour of silence" (Revelation 8:1) and the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14....

Question

speaking of the same period of time? What does the "about half an hour of silence" and the 2300 days of the transgression of desolation refer to?


**All Scriptures are from the King James Version.


I read this in Luke 15:7, "I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

From this verse, it appears that Heaven (God's throne room) would usually be filled with songs of praise and worship of the Lord every time a sinner was saved. Does this mean that no one is being saved during the about half an hour of silence?

In 1 Corinthians 10:8 we read, "Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand."

Every time the number "23" appears in the Bible, it is associated with judgment (wrath-plagues, famine, pestilence..)

Smallone-I do not want to offend you but you need to read the Bible! Whoever the "theologian" is that wrote the book, he is going by his ideas rather than what God tells us in the Bible. Bible study takes time and much prayer! In many of my questions I reiterate the 3 rules God gives for proper Bible interpretation: 1). Have to compare Spirtual things with Spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:13) 2). Remember that Christ spoke in parables (Mark 4:33, 34). Not only in the passages that say "parable" but the whole Bible is writtn in parables..."Proverbs" actually means parables. 3). One needs to go to God humbly and ask Him to teach you (Psalm 119:18).."Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law."

Sarah W-you have done alot of work but I must ell you that Christ was crucified in 33 AD. You are correct about Jesus' annointing in 29 AD., but it was late in the year.

Answer 1

Oh Yes! That is a very frightening portion of scripture. It refers to the shocked horror of everyone in heaven, when they see what is about to unfold, in the judgment of God upon the earth. Its a very solemn moment.

Answer 2

Revelation 8 begins the second of the parallel visions which John saw. The first vision contained chapters four to seven. This is the second vision which is more severe than the previous vision. This is known as progressive revelation, where God builds on one subject and increases the knowledge concerning it. Revelation is about the time from the first advent to the second coming of Christ. It is a book made up of parallel visions, each one more revealing and intense than the previous one till we get to the end of the book of Revelation when we see the finality of this sinful world and the New Heavens and the New Earth.

In Revelation 7, which ended on a note of loud and continuous joy in heaven by all the redeemed believers because we saw the first vision of Revelation ending with the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and all the believers in heaven. Now we come to Chapter 8 and the first verse is in stark contrast to the loud praise in chapter seven. Here John see the seventh seal opened and once again he will see the intensity of the persecution of the believers and the judgments which will be meted out to those who are the oppressors. The seventh seal is now opened and we are once again at the beginning of the parallel vision. The opening of the seventh seal was the beginning of seven very intense judgments to be meted out. These judgments are so awesome that they evoke a short time of silence in heaven. Previously we saw great joy being spoken but now Heaven becomes silent while the judgments are given to the seven
angels to carry out. Now in Heaven there is no time because Heaven is eternal but we are given the time period of a half hour which is for the purpose of our understanding.

Answer 3

Revelation 8:1
And when He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour

Silence in heaven indicates solemnity. At the opening of the seventh seal, all heaven becomes silent because the age is about to be changed from the age of God's toleration to the age of God's wrath.


Habakkuk 2:20
But Jehovah is in His holy temple. Be silent before Him all the earth!

Zechariah 2:13
Hush, all flesh, before Jehovah! For He is roused up from His holy habitation


Zephaniah 1:7
Be silent before the Lord Jehovah, for the day of Jehovah is near. For Jehovah has prepared a sacrifice. He has consecrated those whom He has called

Psalm 46:10
Be still and know that I am God. I will be exaulted among the nations I will be exaulted on earth

Zechariah 1:11
And they answered the Angel of Jehovah who was standing among the myrtle trees and they said We have gone to and fro on the earth and indeed all the earth sits still and is quiet...


In Daniel 8:14
But he said to me For two thousand three hundred nights and days then the sanctuary will be cleansed.

These verses actually are within the context of Daniel's vision concerning Persia and Greece. About the vision concerning a Ram and a Male Goat with its Successors.

Vs 14 are of the Days for Antiochus Epiphanes to do evil things in the Holy Land and would extend from about 171B.C until December 25th 165 B.C, the days when the Jewish hero Judas Maccabeus would cleanse the sanctuary after defeating Antiochus Epiphanes.

It will be cleansed or justified. The cleansing of the temple by Maccabees was a justification, a declaration that the temple was the holy place for God's people to worship Him.


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Answer 4

A significant silence this! Half an hour can seem a long time when you are waiting for something to happen. Now, even the constant heavenly chorus of praise is no longer heard. (Revelation 4:8) Why? John sees the reason in vision: “And another angel arrived and stood at the altar, having a golden incense vessel; and a large quantity of incense was given him to offer it with the prayers of all the holy ones upon the golden altar that was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense ascended from the hand of the angel with the prayers of the holy ones before God.”—Revelation 8:3, 4.
This reminds us that under the Jewish system of things, incense was burned daily at the tabernacle and, in later years, at the temple in Jerusalem. (Exodus 30:1-8) During such incense burning, the nonpriestly Israelites waited outside the sacred area, praying—no doubt silently in their hearts—to the One to whom the incense smoke was ascending. (Luke 1:10) John now sees something similar happening in heaven. The incense offered by the angel is associated with “the prayers of the holy ones.” In fact, in an earlier vision, incense is said to represent such prayers. (Revelation 5:8; Psalm 141:1, 2) Evidently, then, the symbolic silence in heaven is to allow the prayers of the holy ones on earth to be heard.
The 2300 is symbolic and in Corinthians it refers to the Isrealites who sinned against Jehovah. “Neither let us practice fornication, as some of them committed fornication, only to fall, twenty-three thousand of them in one day.” (1 Corinthians 10:8) Here Paul refers to an incident on the Plains of Moab at the end of Israel’s 40-year trek through the wilderness. The Israelites had recently received Jehovah’s help in conquering lands east of the Jordan, but many proved to be forgetful and unappreciative. At the border of the Promised Land, they were enticed into sexual immorality and the unclean worship of the Baal of Peor. Some 24,000 were destroyed, 1,000 of whom were ringleaders.—Numbers 25:9.

Answer 5

This space of time some think refers to the time which elapsed, while the angel, who had incense given him to offer it with the prayers of saints, did so, and took fire off the altar with his censer, and cast it on the earth: and while the seven angels had their trumpets given them, and they were preparing to sound. Others are of opinion that this was only a pause, a breathing time for John between the former visions and seals, and the following; nothing being said or done, or anything exhibited to him during this interval; but he was at leisure to reflect on what he had seen, and to prepare for what was to come. Others understand it of the amazement of the saints at the judgments of God, which were coming upon the Christian empire, and of their quiet and silent preparations for these troubles and combats, both within and without, they were to be exercised with; see (Zechariah 2:13) . Others have thought that this refers to the state of the saints after the day of judgment, when there will be an entire cessation from persecution and trouble, and when the souls under the altar will have done crying for vengeance; but this will be not for half an hour only, but to all eternity.

Personally I think that it refers to the moment before God HAS to make the "Final ending" to humanity, in which SO many of His precious children will be forever "LOST" to Him, by their own free will! ( so sad!) As a parent, I know I would always try & take a moment to reflect (calm down, so as not to spank them in anger) about what I was going to do before I would have to use disiplinary actions. I HATED to spank my children, but sometimes for the "greater good" it was the only the fair thing to do not only for them, but for their future outlook so they would become better human beings...it was the ONLY alternative THEY had left me. I think that God LOVES us SO much, that the FACT that He, in His Great & Mighty & Holy way is going to mete out such Terrible Justice that all of Creation is caught "holding it's breath" in anticipation of the "devestating judgement" that is forthcoming.

Answer 6

This is just a very partial answer, taken from the book that explains ALL of Revelation in plainness. If you really want to know the truth, I suggest reading the book front to back. The explanation of the "half hour of silence" makes a lot of sense, but can not fit here.


Here are a few excerpts:

The references to God’s time being one day to every 1000 years of mortal time, presents the truth that there is no equation of time in heaven, or better, that time is only significant to a mortal understanding, and is insignificant to God. However, because mortals measure time in precise measurements, according to their limited ability to understand the mysteries of God, some prophets use timetables and mathematics to make their point.

The significance of “about the space of half an hour,” is to be understood and reckoned according to the timetable used figuratively by God “in heaven.” With mathematical equations, a half an hour of God’s time is about 21 years of our mortal time, or to be mathematically precise: 20.833 years, or about the space of half an hour.

Throughout Revelation, John uses the term “days” to represent actual earth years; and therefore, he properly uses “years” to represent “days” interchangeably, in order to lead the reader to an understanding of a specific time period.
In this instance, John has borrowed from the book of Daniel to figuratively express, as a specific time frame, that which Daniel experienced in order to prepare himself to receive the exact same vision given to both prophets by the same Being:
(See Daniel 10:7-14)

A careful study of Daniel’s presentation of his vision will demonstrate a parallel description of John’s Revelation. Each man uses contemporary names to hide the true meaning of the vision until the time of the latter days, in which all things would be revealed.
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John is telling us that after the sixth seal was opened, but before Christ comes again, there will be no revelation given from heaven (“silence in heaven”) unless a person does what Daniel did to receive his vision of understanding (“about the space of half an hour”). One must seek to know and understand truth, mourn because of one’s wickedness (broken heart and contrite spirit), and overcome Lucifer in order to receive an understanding of the mysteries of heaven. This may take us our own “half an hour of silence,” which is the figurative representation of however much time it takes for us to follow the path of Christ and learn the mysteries as John and Daniel did.

The book is free at the site below:

Answer 7

Did you know that you have hit upon the longest, and most fascinating, Bible prophecy??? Let's take a step by step study of that simple text, Daniel 8:14 (Incidently, you're correct in associating this verse with judgment!) (I've given links where you can check into the other verse.)

Dan. 8:14 :...Unto two thousand and three hundred days: then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

First, since Daniel is a book of both prophecy and narrative, we must determine what these days represent. 2300 literal days after the vision would land us a few years ahead of that time, but no "cleansing of the sanctuary" took place then!
So, we see that the days are prophetic. In prophecy a day represents a year. In Numbers 14:34 God speaks through Moses, prophesying the wandering of His people in the wilderness for 40, as a result of their unbelief. "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."
He again gives the same principle in Ezekiel 4:6 "I have appointed thee each day for a year."

So, we have determined that the 2300 days are 2300 literal years. Now we must determine WHAT AND WHERE the Sanctuary to be cleansed is. I'm sure you are aware that through out the history of the Jewish nation, until the destruction of Jerusalem, they worshiped God in tabernacles, temples and sancturaries. (In Daniel's time however, the people were exiled, and worshiped praying toward Jerusalem.) But did you know there is a Sanctuary in heaven?
Hebrews 8: 5, speaking of the priests, declares that they "serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things."
(There are more texts - but this is going to be SO long!)

So when does this time prophecy start? The answer is not immediatly obvious in Daniel 8. We have to keep reading utnil we get to Daniel 9:24-27. 24: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy cit, to finish the transgression, and to make and end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
The word DETERMINED is Strong's Concordence means "to cut off". Obviously 70 weeks are cut off for (Daniel's people) the Jewish nation from some other time prophecy - and the last one is the 2,300 days! We have to go on to see where this all begins.
25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."
There were several decrees to rebuild Jerusalem, but the one most fully taken into effect was made in the fall of 457 BC. See Ezra 7:13

So, now we have a starting date. Do this on a calculator, and a piece of paper, to see for yourself. 2300 subtract 457 will give you the fall of 1843. BUT don't forget to add the year between BC and AD! Fall of 1844! (We'll find out what happened then later.)

Now let's look at the time cut off for the Jews as a nation. (Remember, they can still be saved as individuals, but after rejecting Christ they were no longer God's chosen nation.)
These verses are obviously talking about the Messiah and are a prophecy of exactly when He will be anointed - begin His ministry. (Kings, priests, and others in God's service began their ministry at their anointing. Christ is both a King and a Priest. ) About the anointing see: Acts 10:38, Matthew 3:16. Called the Messiah - John 1:41

A.D. 27 Jesus was baptized - anointed. In Mark 1:15 Jesus said the time was fufilled - the close of the 69th week!
Since this is obviously prophecy, the day-for-a-year principle still aplies. The 70 weeks are then 490 days, or 490 literal years.

26 "And after threescore" - a score is twenty - " and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off," -killed- " but not for himself." Jesus was crucified in A.D. 31

In verse 27 the death of Jesus, in the midsts of the week, causes the sacrifices and cerimonies of the Jews to cease having value with God. The true lamb had been slain!
Matthew 27:51 and Mark 15:38

For three years the apostles preached Jesus to the Jews. AD 34 Stephen was stoned, and Saul, later Paul, was converted and became the apostle to the gentiles. After this all Christians took the gospel to the gentiles. This was the end of the 70 weeks.
It is probably the greatest prophecy in Scripture pointing to Jesus as the Messiah!

I've written SO much already. The first link I gave should give TONS of info. on the cleansing of the Sanctuary in heaven. I can't encourage you enough to read the closing chapters of that book!!! But if I can I'll post back her later with more info. It's a huge topic - but the most important in the world right now! Praying for you (and be sure to pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance as you study this!)

Answer 8

The half hour of silence is when the usa orbited the moon, and when they where on the darkside we could not communicate with them for the 30 minutes. In 1968 the usa was orbiting around the moon on Dec 24th on christmas eve, reading from Genesis in the King James book. and were interrupted untill they came back around the other side of the moon, today they have solved that mystery of how to talk around the orbs.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed, is the length of the war on the jews from 1938

Check this out ! If you take 2300 and subtract one [lunar] 360 day year then you have 1940, then add the one year back to it, then you have 1941 the year the usa entered the war, in the midst of the seven year war of tribulation..


there is a twenty three that is good
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

But as I look around I do see that alot at 23 !

Answer 9

I've always understood the translation as a literal Half hour.....

I never really cross-referenced that verse with anything else.
Of course, I could be wrong because Revelation is filled with symbolism, hyperbole, literalisms and metaphors all at the same time.

Answer 10

With 4 boys at home, 1/2 of silence is what I get after 2300 minutes of desolation daily.