If Catholics are "not true Christians", and Catholics determined the Biblical canon...?

Question

isn't the Bible as we've recieved it corrupt?
How can it be both the inerrant word of God and the product of a so-called "false gospel"?

wondering: you're missing the point

Answer 1

Excellent questions. But they won't answer it - they never do. Everyone was wrong for over 1500 years until they came along...LOL

Amazing, isn't it?

Answer 2

This guy CJ ..... does he live within the same orbit as the rest of us ?

Lets examine the texts..
When the dead sea scrolls were uncovered, it was found that many of the texts of the OT considered by protestants as the "apocrypha" were actually considered inspired by the Jews since before the time of Christ.
Parts of every book of the the Jewish and Protestant Old Testament are included, with the exception of Esther and Nehemiah. In addition, some other books now included in Roman Catholic Bibles were found at Qumran [the site of this Essene community]: Tobit, Ben Sira (also known as Sirach or Ecclesiasticus), and the Letter of Jeremiah (also known as Baruch 6). The fact that so many cannons are missing from the King James while found only in the catholic compilation should say more about the decision making in protestant quarters than in the catholic church. And to this day still they have not been included. Why is that ?
If any protestant believes that the KJV is the inerrant word of God then they are deceiving themselves if they believe they have the book as God intended.
Constantine.. what complete and utter bile.....For a guy accused of being the Antichrist and all else, he seems to have made a complete hash of screwing up the compilation of the Bible... which in itself is a claim so beyond the realm of reality. Though tomorrow or next week, sure enough the same b/s will be re-posted by the same idiots who are convinced white is black regardless.

Answer 3

Theres always been a schism between Christians during and after the fall of Rome. This schism or split later became larger during the Middle Ages. There were many Christian sects that condemned other Christian sects in the evolution of Christianity. For example, the Arians who believed that the holy trinity were not one entity, but separate entities, were condemned heretical. When Rome fell, Christianity was divided east and west, one side ruled by a pope and the other by a bishop. There were always indifferences. So, taken all this into account, are there really true Christians? Maybe they all are, or maybe non are.

Answer 4

Excellent question. There was a church before the Catholics though. Of course protestants all come from disagreeing with the Catholic church.

The original corruption of the bible came when the bible was created and the Gnostic gospels were thrown out.

CJ,
The Catholic church was influenced by Constantine. Since Protestant sects are derived from Catholicism, they are also influenced by Constantine.

Can you clarify what you meant by Jews following fundamentalist doctrines?

Answer 5

As a non-Catholic reverend I wouldn't call them "not true Christians", they just have a different way to worship. It's not the way I worship, but who am I to say if it's wrong. As long as they put God and Christ first, that's really all that matters in the grand scheme of things. I've attended many Catholic masses, and sermons from other denomitions, there are more things we agree on than not. The little details is not a big deal.
I disagree when some of them say they were the original Christians, historically, they weren't. The original Christians were Jews who converted, then the Gentiles, and so on.
As for the Bible, yes, I believe it has been changed, many times in fact. Historical documents prove this. Some books have been taken out, and other stories and verses have been added to some Gospels for example Mark and John. Does this change the basics of the Theology? Not really, I suggest that every Christian should do extensive research, read those "naughty books", learn what the words mean in Greek, find an accurate translation, and study. I also suggest you know the history of the translation you're reading. After I studied, I decieded I will never support the King James version, ever.

Answer 6

You need to slow down. The thing which makes many people consider the Catholic church other than Christian is because they are so mired in extra-Biblical ritual. They have made up a whole theater of rituals that are found no place in the Bible. It starts small and ends big, from insisting on sneaking a prayer in to Mary once in a while (tho they deny it now) to believing sprinkling is baptism (which it most definitely is not now and never will be).

I have no idea what the rest of what you're posting comes from.

Answer 7

Big C: Catholic = Roman Catholic Church = Vatican
Little c: catholic = universal, global, all, we all are one
Pst: King James referred to as c: defender of the faith

Holy Bible is Seventh Bible, made better from six good:
1. Tyndale's Bible
2. Matthew's Bible (by Tyndale & John Rogers)
3. Coverdale's Bible
4. Cramer's (Great Bible) by Whitchurch - Midst of 7
5. Geneva Bible
6. Bishop's Bible
7. Holy Bible - 7th of 7 (Authorized KJV)
Wycliffe is excluded in translation process, due to
having what the guidelines called dangerous helps.

As for what's written therein the Holy Bible,
Paul The Apostle: "his witness unto all men", says:
it's written "aforetime" for our "learning": Romans 15;
And it's all "allegory" in both "covenants": Galatians 4;
And it's "mystery": Col 2, to solve "in time": Hebrews 4.
So then, it's kinda like the ultimate matrix to navigate thru.
Reconciliation unto God is through Jesus-->Christ-->God.

The Grace of our Lord Jesus-->Christ with you-->all. Amen.

Answer 8

Historians have reported that there are possibly 6,000 handwritten copies containing all or part of the Hebrew Scriptures, the oldest dates back to the third century B.C.E. Of the Christian Greek Scriptures there are 5,000 in Greek, the oldest dating back to the beginning of the second century A.D.. The Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writing of Homer, Plato, etc because the ancient manuscripts still exist that attest to its authencity.

Answer 9

Mr Jessup, I am also a convert who has seen "both sides". And by what you say I find it difficult to believe that you are a practicing, faithful Catholic -- unless your catechesis was lukewarm or considerably watered down, in which case your statements are understandable. But there is quite a lot of good catechesis out there and I hope you will avail yourself of it, if indeed this is your adopted faith.

Answer 10

They are true christians, but only because they borrowed that title from Paul's writings. Actually to call Jesus a christ is wrong. For him to have been a christ, messiah, he would have had to be both the high priest of the Jews AND there king. He was neither. So while the catholics are the original christians, They, and the branches that grew out of that movement do not follow the true and complete teachings of Jesus. christians they are, but not followers of the teachings Jesus.

Answer 11

It is by GOD, not man, that the Bible has survived in its present form. Remember, GOD is in control of all things. Praise the LORD.