How necessary would you say it is to have standards and disciplince in education?

Question

Please only serious answers.

Answer 1

You cannot have education without them. In a sense, these also have to do with expectations, which can lead to many a parent-teacher conference. If the student expects, for example in my Drama class, that all they will be doing is improv games, but I tell them right off the bat that they will be doing a few improv games, listening to lectures, taking notes, performing scenes, memorizing monologues, keeping a journal, etc. then I have communicated what my expectations of the class are. In order to get an A, you have to participate in all of these activities well. And if discipline problems arise, they need to be dealt with in order for the remaining students to be able to learn. Without discipline, chaos ensues. Wihtout standardds, you have no reason to perform well or poorly since everyone seems to get the same grade.

Answer 2

Both are essential,

Without discipline or with poor discipline learning is not learned and education becomes a big joke.

Standards indicate what a child is supposed to Loren by grade level within each subject. It guides the schools and the teachers. There should be some flexibility as well.

Answer 3

How necessary? It is of upmost importance. I attended school at a time when discipline reigned. Students dressed respectfully, no back-talk to teachers, a pass required to go to the lav, kept after school if homework not finished, and if you got in trouble in school, you didn't go home and complain to your parents. If you did, you would be in real trouble. I am blessed to have gone to school at such a time. As a consequence, I received a good education and got a good full-time job two weeks after high school graduation.

Answer 4

It's completely necessary. There's a great deal of moral strength required to learn, at least in certain areas. People don't appreciate that like they should.

Nobody talks about it, but obviously you don't see a lot of street gang members with PhD's. The morally inept don't do well in school.

Answer 5

I think it is very necessary to have both, without standards children will not have goals to reach, they would not have to learn, and our society would go backwards. Without discipline the students could and would take over the faculty and the schools.

Answer 6

Very necessary,discipline makes better people kind of like dogs,they will run riot if left undisciplined and be very unhappy but when training and discipline is applied then they then turn in to much better behaved happier dogs!

Answer 7

Definitely kids these days are running wild. All these shootings and what not. It's not OK for damage to go unpunished.

Answer 8

it is a must

Answer 9

Just so you know where I am coming from, I am an American. And ... I do think standards and discipline are necessary. However, I do question the quality of the standards.

You know, sometimes I just think it would be nice to throw out the whole thing ... and start over.

I find it appalling that people are bulldozed through so much for so many years. This does not mean that I do not think they should be asked to study, but it does mean that I think the necessity (?) for co-ertion is alarming (i.e. what does it mean about family?), and I think the choice of subjects is old-fashioned and in need of a brushing up.

In addition, I think there needs to be a good, hard look at the *way* education is approached, especially with respect to people's tact, attitude, and their overall optimism about life itself.

For example, the other day a teen age girl and her friend, both about 13 or 14, came by and asked to use my computer. She needed to check out something. To make a long story short, she knew her own route, but when I directed her attention to the upper left hand corner of the screen, she was lost. I turned to her friend, and said in a silly voice, "Is she ok?" Her friend giggled and said, "She's stupid!" It turned out that she was really not very observant at all, and was quite unable to focus, quite the opposite btw of another visitor of mine who is all of 8 and an absolute whiz. She was very nicely pulled together, her hair was nicely braided in the latest style, her jeans spiffy, her T was glittery and her nails polished..... but she was absolutely "cross-eyed and dizzy"! (forgive me!) I felt very sorry for her. Short-changed was what she was.
Neglected.

So I said to her as sweetly as possible, "OMG!!! What are you going to do when you go for your driver's license? You gotta see things!!!" She stopped short, looked very astonished, and went quiet for a moment. Really quiet! She really had so much self-respect in that moment. I myself was astonished, because she swallowed the whole thing in one gulp. I mean her whole attitude changed. When she walked out of this room a few minutes later she was a changed child! I always pray that I be able to help people, and that really was an answer for her.

Now ....what I want to know is: why had no one helped her see herself ahead in time as an adult, needing various skills like observation..... what was she going to do? Miss red lights, overlook stop signs, and say, "What school bus?"

And see what I hate is the thought that some nyah nyah nyah kind of adult would say in this gikky horrible way, "Now, we must be observant, mustn't we, dear? Otherwise, we might not DO well! And, you know, we want to do well, don't we?" Yeccccccch! (Sorry ...ah ...all my nice education!!!) You know....you have to DO something to people like that..... send them to charm school or something....but people make a mish mash of education because they themselves are such stupid fools that they really ought to stick to ....to ...to something they CAN do.

Now ....

I think there are certain things that everyone should know:
* how to read ... not just basic reading skills, but genuine comprehension ...so they can tell you what they have read ... so they can extrapolate info, etc...
* how to write: composition & penmanship (incl neat numbers); letter writing, both social and business letters
* how to do basic mathematics
* how to speak...social niceties, to read out loud, and to speak in public
* how to count their change, balance their checkbooks, and file their taxes without a hitch

and then from that point on:
* how to do research ...so they can study stuff they want to study, without co-ertion or someone saying what they should study
* how to ask questions, how to ask for help ....very important

I have these things on my list because I think they are basic ...and because I see so many people who are just a bunch of muff heads.....all I am thinking of is just to bring to people's awareness the things they really need to know in order to cope in this world, whether they stitch tents for a living, or plow a field, whether they become accountants, or research scientists, thinkers & philosophers, writers, artists, or leaders in various fields, salmon fishermen even!!!! ....doesn't matter.... but they must know the basics and be able to cope, n'est-ce pas?

I never did like the ordinary standards of education we have here in the states (at least in the public schools ....I myself was lucky enough to go to a really nice private school) and although I did go to a progressive college, that did not work for me, ...perhaps because not all the teachers were up to it; a friend of mine said that to make such a system work you need a faculty of angels!

I really do not know WHAT would work. I am so discouraged that I think I must give up and leave it .... they say that there is no problem on earth for which heaven has no cure, so ....I will leave it to heaven.....as soon as I finish your answer (acccch! your poor ears !!)

I have been here on Y/As for a while now and I must say I find it downright discouraging that the answers I receive from the UK, from India, and from France demonstate a kind of mental panache lacking in the answers from the US ... I don't know what it is about us in this country, but we seem to eschew excellence .... I have lost friends from having been foolish enough to demonstrate any skills with the Franch language at all, or by being so unwise as to let them know where I went to college ...

I do not mean to go on a rant here, it is just that of COURSE we must have standards ... and discipline (er ...which means just what?)....
Personally, I do not mind the word discipline. I find it equal to "self-control", "self-motivation", "good habits", ....but I think many people equate it with being punished, and that is unfortunate.

I had a Spanish singing teacher, a lady with a droll personality, who was always admonishing me that "continuazione e repitizione" (as she put it!)( continuing and repeating) was the key to the day ...(((I was going to say "the order of the day" but certain words .....order, discipline, regimen ..... all seem to arouse resentment in people, probably because people can be so harsh with each other, and especially the young, and especially students)))... and of course, that is the kind of discipline one wants: going over and over a subject until it becomes second nature, until your hand is easy with it, until it all is just like rolling off a log .....but in school, often one just passes tests and then forgets....well, if something is that unimportant.........................................................................then why study it at ALL?
There are only 24 hours in the day and a lot of things to study.... so why not just get down to something you like and will make good use of, something you will need, and see it all the way to the finish line?

My favorite teachers, my favorite mentors, my favorite role models have always been very nice people, and intelligent people at that.......so maybe that is the key: better qualifications, better upbringing, better schooling ...

Let me just finish with a somewhat cryptic thought: ballet dancers are among the most realistic of all God's creatures....because they know that without their daily work outs they would fall all over the stage .... and the very thought of resentment vis-a-vis discipline is unthinkable ...

Cheers!
I hope *you* can do something with it all ...personally, I am winded!

LPM