Maybe if Jr would not blow up engines, and if Edwards and Matt would stop fighting like little girls, and if the other teams worked as hard as HMS maybe someone else would be winning! Get over it!
2007-10-24 01:02:13 · 18 answers · asked by Willy P 1 in Sports ➔ Auto Racing ➔ NASCAR
THE HATERS WILL NEVER STOP BEING JEALOUS OF THE HARD WORK,TALENT, AND DETERMINATION THAT HMS HAS, THEY ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF IMMATURE WHINERS THAT'S RIGHT YOU TELL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They'll never get over how good HMS is, or give them credit for anything that they have accomplished, and they always find fault no matter what driver you go for, and some of these people are parents, and maybe grandparents, that's why this world is so crazy!
2007-10-25 05:28:11 · answer #1 · answered by 48's biggest fan 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Historically, most drivers don't cheat. They just drive the craftwork of the cheaters. However, sprinkled through that history are drivers that have been in on the cheat because it needed some action taken by the driver.
Examples:
(1) DW's ballast dumping.
(2) Jim Paschal's futile attempt to break out his rear window with a window sash weight. The last time Paschal saw his weight, after the wind currents carried it through the side window, was in his rearview bouncing down the track at Atlanta.
(3) Fred Lorenzen's carburetor "mouse trap" mounted under the carburetor and operated from inside the car. When closed the carburetor was legal. When the operating lever was pulled down, the carburetor openings were bigger.
(4) The time Herb Nab leaned into Lorenzens car and said, "If we start to get low on fuel (reaching under the dash to show "Fast Freddie" a hidden button) just push this button for about 2 seconds and we'll be OK".
The problem most people have with the 24 and the 48 are the claims by some that they have the best drivers. Most people realize they have the best cars and engines.
The question remains, if they are so good, why cheat?
One needs to understand the thought process of a NASCAR fan. For example, during the Earnhardt/DW duals, Earnhardt gained a lot of fans when he would use the bumper to beat the cheater. Far and away, that's the reason people cheer when Gordon or Johnson get the bumper from someone.
It makes no difference to the fan whether the driver is in on the cheat or not. It only matters that he's driving a cheat.
Now, some fans feel the use of the bumper is in itself a cheat.
If so, it's a cheat available to every car on the track, it's a public cheat easily viewable to everyone, including NASCAR, and it's effectiveness is strictly related to the driver's ability to overcome the cheat. It's also the only cheat that can be denied and/or defeated on a driver to driver basis.
Earnhardt won the vast majority of his races without the use of the bumper. He won a few that way and he lost a few that way. That's fair.
In some cases, Earnhardt's bumper was justice. Richmond 1986, Earnhardt turns Waltrip with both winding up in the wall allowing Kyle Petty to win a deserved race under caution, for example.
More often than not, whether the contact was front, back or side, Earnhardt came out on top in a head-to-head driver dual.
What I can't stand is a sneaky cheat. One hidden from view or gotten through inspection by the use of cheats designed to be caught so NASCAR stops looking.
The only way to stop cheating is for NASCAR to park the car, not even allow a corrected car to race, when a cheat is found and force the sponsors to step in and threaten withdrawal of funding if caught again.
It can't be left to the fans to apply the pressure. Most fans of the team would side with the team, thereby condoning the cheat as evidenced by the reactions by most of the fans of the 24 and the 48 to the numerous cheats they have been caught with.
Ironically most fan's attitude is reflected in the "ancient" anonymous words of a driver who had just lost a race. "He must be cheating, because I'm cheating and he beat me."
2007-10-24 05:42:54 · answer #2 · answered by crunch 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
In no way is this to take away the driving ability of either one of these drivers.The "cheating" allegations are and were directed at the "teasm" not the drivers,but in some sort of mental blockage people assume that the driver is the one cheating.
The like or dislike of a driver or team is up to the individual fan,this is what maes this sport so great.We fans like to see a good race yet we do not look past the car and driver at politics within the team.
To say Gordon or Johnson cheated is incorrect.
To see what is behind the scenes at Hendrick we the casual race fans will not know.
2007-10-24 02:20:03 · answer #3 · answered by blakree 7 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Hey jgrevinjim got the first answer. CHEATER!
I call SHENANIGANS!!!!!
With that said, why cant people just accept that some drivers win, others lose. Technically, they are not "cheating" but finding ways around the rules with Gray areas that do not seem to be addressed in the rules. It is the crew chiefs job to give his driver an edge to win the race.
But if NASCAR thinks they went too far, they should get fined, suspended etc.
2007-10-24 02:20:41 · answer #4 · answered by tom p 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
You make a good point. It is the crew chiefs, not the drivers who cheat, and that happens in every team, not just HMS. Smokey Yunick and Junior Johnson set the bar for that.
Right now it seems that the HMS prima donnas are unstoppable. Tell Kyle to back off, he doesn't need to win a race.
I can't wait to see what happens at Homestead.
2007-10-24 01:13:40 · answer #5 · answered by jgrevinjim 3 · 2⤊ 4⤋
Not a fan of either,i'm a Roush / Fenway guy,and have never seen Gordon or Johnson cheat ... I've seen the #48 crew chief
taken by the seat of his pant's,and,thrown out of Daytona,but don't recall Johnson ever landing on top of him !!! Which is good / fair !!! Hell the guy won ??? Hey you,down there,Chad Knaus is not a driver,He's a computer Wiz !!!
Stupid a** !!
2007-10-24 03:28:49 · answer #6 · answered by Bow-legged Snake 6 · 5⤊ 3⤋
Pierre Gordan
2007-10-24 02:23:29 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋
If find the self-righteous indignation of some fans to be amusing, as if their driver's teams don't color outside the lines.
These guys (ALL OF THEM) will do whatever they can to get an edge. It's as old as racing.
People can cry all they want. It doesn't erase the fact that Jeff and Jimmie have won, are winning, and will win.
2007-10-24 04:46:42 · answer #8 · answered by Jim M 4 · 2⤊ 4⤋
It's easy to be overcome with jealousy. That's what jealous people always do first......accuse winners of cheating!.....Go #48!!
By the way.....I never heard anybody tell Kyle not to pass for a win when he CAN....I have heard them to tell him to back off as everybody knows he has a tendancy to wreck himself and take others in it when he gets overly excited and does NOT have the winning car. We have seen it time and time again. That boy needs reminded is all. He will be okay as he starts to mature.
2007-10-24 01:43:14 · answer #9 · answered by 4 In A Row (#48JJFan) 5 · 4⤊ 5⤋
Didn't have to see them cheat, they got CAUGHT!!! The other teams do work hard they just don't CHEAT while doing it!!!!
Go RCR!!!!
2007-10-25 06:31:48 · answer #10 · answered by nascarfan31 4 · 0⤊ 2⤋