So many definitions of blasphemy, so just tell me this... does this count (see details)...?

Question

Jesus was a fraud who failed the messianic prophecies.

If he was empowered at all, his miracles were in fact Satanic in origin, powered directly by Satan. It is Satan that Jesus refered to as the Holy Spirit.

Christianity is the original Satanism.

Jesus's death was a total waste of time. He saved nothing and no one, and died in shame and defeat.

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Is this or is this not, if held and stated with utter conviction (which it is), blasphemy?

mum:

Ah, so I need to find a Christian forum to say it in... could you recommend some? I'm obviously doing it in the wrong place because this is not a Christian forum.

Teha4:

Hey, they had it right. If someone tells me 2+2=4 and I tell you 2+2=4, will you still expect me to be original and tell you instead that 2+2=3.1415926535897...?

Thunderrolls:

Considering how utterly immoral the Christian concept of deity is... if they are right, I would rather spend eternity in Hell suffering than worship such a deity.

My morals are the most important thing I have, and I won't sacrifice them just to avoid pain.

Ashley S:

So is a non-answer. At least you're in good company, I suppose.

lookn2cjc:

If Hell exists at ALL, regardless of the concept of "God sends you to hell" or "you choose to go to Hell and God allows it" then your deity is an immoral monster.

The fact he provided a way to avoid it does not make the existence of such a place any less infinitely immoral.

lookn2cjc:

Also, why should you have to pray he reveals himself to me? According to the Bible, ANYONE who seeks in open honesty will find the truth. If your deity exists, he knows EXACTLY what I would need to experience to come to that truth.

The silence... is both rather deafening and rather telling.

lookn2cjc:

To confess to him, I'd have to believe he exists. But according to the Bible, I can't believe until he calls me to do so.

Kind of a catch-22, don't you think?

lookn2cjc:

To whom do I confess? Which religious set of sins should I confess about?

See? Until I believe, I can't confess. And Jesus said, according to the Bible, something along the lines of, "No one comes to the Father except through me, and no one comes to Me except the Father beckons."

Soooooo... I'm awaiting the beckoning.

lookn2cjc:

Sin is an offense to a deity, by definition. However, each of the numerous deities humanity has believed in have all had different concept of what counts as sin.

Should I confess my sins as the Greek Pantheon would view them? How about Roman (not much difference, granted)? Or should I invoke Amon-Ra and confess to him all the violations of the 42 Denials I've commited?

Do you see the problem? Without belief in a deity -- there is no sin. There is moral wrong doing, but not sin.

Answer 1

simple, easy definition of blasphemy: whatever offends believers is blasphemy. no doubt this is wrong technically but it's amazing how often it works in practice.

Answer 2

It is impossible to define blasphemy in anything approaching a universal rule for the simple reason that religious views are so diverse. What's blasphemous to one religion is gospel in another. Whose definition would we use? Should blaspheming _anyone's_ god be a crime? If not, then you'll have gov't favoring one religion over another, and that's a big no-no, legally, historically and morally. So what blasphemy comes down to is basically just giving offense to one's religion. And yes, the right to speak offensive things is very much a free speech issue. America's Founding Fathers knew very well the dangers of having gov't in the business of enforcing religious edicts, having earlier fled from Europe where both gov't and religion corrupted one another, leading inevitably to tyranny and a lack of religious freedom. Like the first answerer said with his Mill quote, leave "punishment" for religious "crimes" up to god or the church. Otherwise, you may unwittingly find yourself at the losing end of a struggle against a gov't that suddenly has come to find _your_ views as blasphemous.

Answer 3

Jesus, forgive his wicked words....Abba, I pray if JP is truly searching with an open honest heart You will reveal Yourself to him in Truth. Amen

Now that you've considered the wickedness of a deity that would send someone to hell for not worshiping Him (which is a FALSE presumption, BTW); perhaps you should begin considering a loving and MERCIFUL GOD who would bear in His own body the punishment of our wickedness so that we wouldn't HAVE to go there!

Edit:
You're right, JP, I don't HAVE to pray for you, but the Bible says that; " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16 (b)

However, the FIRST part of that verse says; "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed." Until you're willing to CONFESS, my prayers won't avail a whole lot, but I'm still gonna pray....God's placed you on my heart for a reason.

BTW, you can EXPECT silence on God's part until you start CONFESSING!

Edit:

An honest place to start is to begin confessing your sins.....surely you could do that?

JP...We ALL know what the definition of "sin" is. You are of high intellect, so now's not the time to plead ignorance. Your intellect is not in question, sweetie, but I daresay, you're not being upfront if you say you don't know where to begin with confessing your sins. While I've no doubt you're a nice guy and all, I've equally no doubt that you've done your share of sinning, as have we all. SO; even if it's only to ask Jesus to meet you half-way, YOU start by getting honest with Him about your sin, and then see what He'll do for you.....

Answer 4

In the view of a LEARNED christian, that would be blasphemy of Jesus, not god. You are blaspheming the "Full Human" part of Jesus and not the "Full God" part of Jesus.

Therefore, you are still hold the ticket to heaven.

The Unlearned Christians who had not read the bible properly will treat this as the blasphemy for god.

Answer 5

I know you could do better than that. The pharisees said all of those same things to Jesus when he was alive. If you are going to try to blasphemy at least be original.

Answer 6

I think it is only blasphemy to those who actually believe the stories of the Bible.
To me, it is just a silly superstitious belief like all the others.

EDIT to MUM...NEWSFLASH this isn't a "Christian" forum

Answer 7

Your second statement is what is actually considered "the unforgivable sin", blasphemy of the holy spirit.

But I think you managed to work every other kind of blasphemy imaginable in there, as well. ;)

Answer 8

Yeah, I think most Christians would probably count that as blasphemy. Jews, maybe not...Muslims probably...

Answer 9

only in the eyes of christians ,but keep in mind god may well be a christian. or at least a sympathizer.

Answer 10

Ho Hummmm! Trying hard aren't you? Why? Isn't God enough for you? You think you're going to be happy in hell? Don't do this...God loves you!