Is there an argument for God's existence that ...?

Question

isn't summarize on the following list?

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Despite the tone of the website, I'm honestly asking.

*summarized

Answer 1

Well, there's

"The world wouldn't be good if God didn't exist.
Therefore God must exist".

That seems to be a very common one. An alternative version is

"If God doesn't exist, there isn't any justice.
Therefore God must exist"

I didn't see either of those there, though I may have missed them.

Answer 2

Schneb's response is right on. Although there are many arguments, his comes very close to proof.
Most of the arguments defend a creative force or entity, or argue from evidence of some sort of non-physical reality (spritism), without identifying the creative person. That creative person is identified in the bible read by the Hebrews and Christians. This God is the only one identified as the creator. All other religions view their god(s) as being within the cosmos, as part of it.

There are other arguments, including observed miracles and healings and speaking in tongues, which are both all too often staged, and useless in this context.

Another argument I find compelling is hotly debated within the argument of intelligent design (see the book “Uncommon Dissent”). From the perspective of physics and chemistry and math and logic and all manner of respected scientific disciplines, life and DNA popping into existence spontaneously is absurd, and subsequent self-driven reengineering of life forms via “evolution” is impossible. The complexity of life only scratches the surface of the debate. Fred Hoyle, the distinguished cosmologist, once said it was as if "a super- intellect has monkeyed with physics". Fred was an atheist. He is one of a large number of very well educated scientists who perceived an apparent need for creation, including Albert Einstein. The incredible [literally] fortunate circumstances of the Big Bang, the impossible but fortuitous balances found in nature, the unique properties of water molecules, and so many other impossibilities have been observed that a creative purpose is evident at every level of existence. God is evident in His creation from the smallest sub atomic particle to the largest galaxy. This purpose, or necessity of it, in no way points to any particular creator, but when combined with the prophecy argument, the conclusion is all but inescapable.

God is necessary. Any event possible without cause [as though this were possible!] would necessarily be random and chaotic. The cosmos is very well organized and in a state of truly incredible balance, harmony and homogeneity. A creative, purposeful intelligence of unlimited power is the necessary cause. For Him to identify himself in the manner described by Schneb seals the deal. We can know that He exists, and we can identify Him by His actions and words.

Answer 3

Not really. Bona-fide spiritual experiences can't be conveyed by modern language though, so any of these arguments is useless. Of course, even spiritual experiences can be rationalized in two ways: we have these abilities merely as a product of evolution, or there's a god that gave us a way to connect/transcend/whatever. The latter cannot be proven, and the former is certainly what appears to be true; however, moving beyond words/normal human experience (i.e., meditation) might change your mind in ways not so readily put into language. Then again--Richard Dawkins being the obvious example--it might not.

Answer 4

The arguments on that lists are caricaturization and over-simplifications of the legitimate rational proofs for the existence of God. the legitimate arguments require good attention and study to see that the conclusions follow from premises, but...
not all the arguments given by theologists and philosophers have the same weight and conclusiveness. For instance the weakest one in the list is the famous "ontological proof" forwarded by St Anselm of Canterbury, while I consider the strongest one the proof given by Aristotle and perfected by St Thomas Aquinas: the "unmoved mover" and the "fifth way" or five rational proofs of God in the Summa Theologica.
Of the list you give, only the first ten or so look like are actual philosophically drawn syllogisms with a valid form, the rest is just mockery my friend.
You are either triying to mock belief in God (which seems the most obvious end of your coments) or very errouniously throwing yourself in an intellectual arena for which you would need more preparation.

Someone up there said that all those arguments contain fallacies that even a school student could see, and he is actually right!

But is good that you at least seek to find HIM

God bless

Answer 5

There are 566 arguments on that page. If you're truly interested, go to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God ) and compare the arguments put forward there. They include the standard ones.

All of the arguments are apologetic, i.e., they start with the assumption that god exists and try to prove that such a belief is rational. For the apologist, if the evidence takes them away from god's existence, they reject the evidence.

This is the exact opposite of the way that science functions. It formulates an UNASSUMED hypothesis and gathers any evidence, either pro and con. In the end, it goes in which ever way the evidence takes it, and it submits the study to peer review in an effort to have it ripped to shreds. Only the most strong evidence can survive such scrutiny.

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Answer 6

the one you missed was if god exists them humans are essentially all born of incest. Somehow those two people had all the races at are currently in the world and they spread all over the world. Also if god exists then all things were created at once and that would mean dinosaurs and human were alive at the same time which is impossible due to simple historical research. Also never does god say anything about the other planets...o because its a made up story...plus if they find water on mars that could be revolutionary. I just wanna know how that ads into your true -false statements.

Answer 7

This is a very rude and pointless statement. But yes, there are proofs not "summarized' on that list. There not very convincing, and some claiming to have a quantum physics degree told me its wrong, even though some supergenius asian dude wrote a book that says its right, so I have no idea and wont go into it.

Answer 8

My friend: If there was proof that God existed, then faith would not exist.

Just think on this: We don't know for certain if God exists or not. But let's look at possible outcomes:

1) I don't believe, and He doesn't exist: No positive or negative result
2) I believe, and He doesn't exist: No positive or negative result
3) I don't believe, and He does exist: No positive result, only negative result
4) I believe, and He does exist: Positive result, no negative result.

If God doesn't exist, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe, because there will be no outcome. But if if He DOES exist, then the believers will yield positive ends, while nonbelievers yield negative ends.

Therefore: JUST BELIEVE! If you're a believer, one of two things will happen: Good thing, or nothing. If you're a nonbeliever, one of two things will happen: Bad thing, or nothing. A believer has a no-lose scenario, while a non-believer has a no-win scenario.

It doesn't matter if there isn't evidence of God's existence. Just believe, because it's better to be safe than sorry.

Answer 9

You will always have those that say God is a myth, and you will always have those that will say God is real, and the Irony of it all is both sides are dead wrong because neither side can prove other wise, so if there really is a God in heaven as I believe there is, he really must shake his head at the ignorants of men and their silly arguments over him.

Answer 10

I fully admit I do not have a lick of proof my gods exist. I also admit I feel no need to prove it. It doesn't bother me who believes and who doesn't. I could care less. LOL