What kind of blunder would make Jehovah's Witnesses stop giving excuses to their?

Question

'one true God's organization, The Watchtower Oraganization,' which has made several big mistakes interpreting God's Word? Failed prophecies are not enough, what that would be?

Answer 1

The Watchtower Society can go on saying anything it likes, changing its doctrines, moving the goal-posts on blood transfusions etc., ad infinitum, and adoring JWs will excuse their leaders without hesitation. They revere their leaders because THEY have the anointing of the 'holy spirit' (and, surprise, surprise, they do not.) Their leaders call themselves Jesus' 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' as per Matthew 24, appointed by God to feed 'the domestics' before Jesus returns.

Now, there's a funny thing. Those leaders said he returned in 1914, but he's still got to return AGAIN - a 3rd 'coming'! And what poor THA doesn't realise is that they got 1914 all wrong and had to change a word here, and a word there, in various editions of their books in order to fool poor folk like him who weren't around at the time of the 1914 debacle. First President Russell said:

'Well, 1873 came, the end of 6,000 years, and yet no burning of the world etc. But prophecies were found which pointed positively to 1874 as the time when Jesus was due to be present.' Never mind Jesus coming in 1914 - they were convinced he'd come in 1874! And as for 1914, they then said it would bring the END of Armageddon. When it didn't, they said it was the START of Armageddon. When that was clearly false, they said 1914 was when Jesus invisibly came (how convenient) and then - finally - produced the current doctrine about 1914 marking the start of the Gentile Times. THA needs to waken up to the fact that they said that happened in 1874 and stop insisting they've always been right about 1914.

You are right to say failed prophecies are not enough to stop them excusing their organization. Only an Act of God will turn individuals to him alone. God's grace, breaking through into lives does it. The JWs can barely make 2%age points increase world wide because almost as many JWs are leaving as get recruited. Pray for those ones leaving, that they will not be so badly damaged by the trauma of that experience that they turn their backs on God.

Answer 2

so nothing then ....

Mark my words kids When the WT&TS recends it's teaching on blood ..Note I said when ... I will be here asking this same questions.. and you poor deluded souls will be telling me the same retoric

"oh the light got brighter" ...

I pitty you poor poor people.. you have my sorrow and my shame .. I will pray for you to one day escape the control wrot upon you

what I am so excited about is the class action suit brought againts the WT&TS when they due resind the blood teaching .. I would like to own Bethel that would be funny to me

Answer 3

After 604 blunders, it would take an act of God to change hearts...God did act in my heart and is acting in the heart of others..There are witnesses questioning the doctrine. I know this, because sometimes they e mail me.

Keep on asking your questions. They are good questions and very respectful, but some of the answers that you get from these Christians are not very Christian at all.*****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071014204759AAfgDQ5
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So, Does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers to come?



"IDENTIFYING THE PROPHET"

These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?

This prophet was not one man, but a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.

Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show? WT. 4/1/72 p 197 (see Deut. 18::21)

Answer 4

I mentioned this before... mother nature was accidentally called jehovah .. while she was doing her research on religion and the bible... because of that... they have a 5% accuracy interpretation rating... other christian cults are in the minuses.... She's left them... it probably went down.. if they are changing it did...

added: it doesn't take much for people to get all arrogant about what they don't know does it?

Answer 5

***SO YOU SAY about "big mistakes" (unpublished dates)
-----THERE WAS no failed Prophecy of 1914--IT CAME
RIGHT ON TIME!
***THERE WAS NO MISTAKE with the PUBLISHED DATE of 1914 and the esculating woes that Jesus PROPHESIED of which we quoted & applied:
(Matthew 24:7-8) “. . .“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.”
--(Luke 21:10-11) “10 Then he went on to say to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.”

--AND THE WOE that Satan has caused since 1914 when he was ousted out of heaven by Michael the Archangel(Christ Jesus):
(Revelation 12:10) “. . .And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!”....
....12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.”

*** ce chap. 18,19,20 pp. 227-229 par. 32 The Bible—Is It Really Inspired by God? ***

"DECADES BEFORE THAT DATE, "THE NEW YORK GLOBE" of August 30, 1914, explains: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an EXTRAORDINARY PROPHECY (my caps). For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students’ [Jehovah’s Witnesses] . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘LOOK OUT FOR 1914 has been the cry of the . . . evangelists.”....".
****DID YOU NOTE "through preachers & THROUGH PRESS...."
>>>>INTERESTINGLY the NEW YORK GLOBE did not publish any of the SO-CALLED "big mistakes" we made , WHY do you think they didn't?
**USUALLY news papers , journals , magazines will publish mishaps GLADLY!
----BECAUSE WE did not publish these so-called "big mistakes" you found from some off statements made!
----IS THAT simple enough for you to understand OR our we "lying" again in your judgemental eyes?

...CONTINUED from above...."1914—The Turning Point in History*****
--"FROM THE HUMAN STANDPOINT, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the Bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.
--German statesman Konrad Adenauer said: “Thoughts and pictures come to my mind, . . . thoughts from the years before 1914 when there was real peace, quiet and security on this earth—a time when we didn’t know fear. . . . Security and quiet have disappeared from the lives of men since 1914.”25
-- People living before 1914 thought that the future “would get better and better,” reported British statesman Harold Macmillan.26
--The book 1913: America Between Two Worlds notes: “Secretary of State Bryan said [in 1913] that ‘conditions promising world peace were never more favorable than now.’”27
--31 So, right up to the very brink of World War I, world leaders were forecasting an age of social progress and enlightenment. But the Bible had foretold the opposite—that the unprecedented war of 1914 to 1918 would highlight the beginning of “the last days.” (2 Timothy 3:1) The Bible also provided chronological evidence that 1914 would mark the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom, to be followed by unprecedented world trouble....."

--YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS try to use dates that were UNPUBLISHED, and COMPLETLY IGNORE what was clearly PUBLISHED decades BEFORE 1914!
--WHY WERE your religious leaders so laid back if they were true prophets that you claim, we claim?
---RATHER THAN announce the Kingdom of God being established,(Rev. 12:10 "NOW have come to pass......the kingdom.....") they acted as recruiting agents for both World War I & II!
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"WHAT WOULD IT BE?"

--IF WE stopped worshipping Jehovah God(as an organization) and started to worship Christ, as in the DIABOLICAL trinity!

Answer 6

when God punishes them for judging everybody else and admits the one and only God is the only one that knows it all

Answer 7

their eyes need to be open to the truth.also in the last days their will be many false prophets.

Answer 8

A Jehovah's Witness will avoid anyone who contradicts the bible itself. Of course, The Watchtower magazine has focussed attention on the bible as its only authority for 130 years!


More than a century ago, Jehovah's Witnesses recognized the bible truths that hell is not hot, that the soul is not immortal, that God has a personal name, that Jesus is not Jehovah, that most humans will be resurrected as humans, and that God's Messianic Kingdom will restore paradise to earth and end the suffering of humankind.
http://watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_03.htm

Amazingly, those ideas remain tightly and uniquely identified with Jehovah's Witnesses. A sincere Christian who believes those bible truths has little alternative to the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses! One would expect that true religion would not be a mere hairs' breadth different than false, would one not?


Some enlightening regarding details has emerged in 130 years, but it is a silly exaggeration to pretend that significant teachings (such as those mentioned above) have been "mistakes". And Jehovah's Witnesses have never pretended to prophesy at all.

Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do admit when their understanding is wrong, and they certainly do embrace the teaching that seems best supported by Scripture. Would the questioner recommend otherwise?

In any event, it seems rather obvious that ongoing bible research, as well as occasional advances in archeology and etymology, would result in refinements of one's understanding. That was true for Jesus' apostles and other early Christians, and it is true today.

In the first century CE, certain ideas took DECADES to resolve, even among men and women who walked with Christ Jesus. Even in the presence of Jesus, the idea of 'eating flesh and blood' stumbled some disciples (not outsiders, but disciples) who were unwilling to wait for the now-obvious answer (Jesus was simply speaking metaphorically).

After Jesus' impalement, sincere disciples were confused about whether Christianity should involve only Jews, or maybe only Jews and Samaritans, or maybe only these and circumcised Gentiles. There was confusion about using tongues within the congregation, about tolerating sin and "Jezebel", about when Jesus would "return", and about when Armageddon would arrive. Much of this confusion was quite public; even though the apostle Peter enjoyed tremendous privileges and direct communication from heaven, Peter seems to have been the source of an incorrect teaching "out among the brothers" that was perhaps not resolved until the apostle John wrote his Gospel more than 60 years later!

(John 6:61-68) Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble you? ...he went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with [Jesus].

(Acts 18:25-26) [Apollos] had been orally instructed in the way of Jehovah and, as he was aglow with the spirit, he went speaking and teaching with correctness the things about Jesus... When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him into their company and expounded the way of God more correctly to him.

(John 21:21-23) Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what will this man do [that is, the apostle John]?” Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that [the apostle John] would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”


Does the bible support the idea that full knowledge would be instantly understood by everyone? No. Instead, the bible contains such reasonable ideas as these:

(1 Corinthians 13:12) For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.

(Daniel 8:16,17;12:4,9) [The voice] proceeded to call out and say: “Gabriel, make that one there understand the thing seen.” ..And he proceeded to say to me: “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.” ...“And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” ...And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end.

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