Give me logical, concret and plausible arguments .
PLEASE !
2007-10-23 09:04:20 · 9 answers · asked by Heterodox Idiosyncratic Algerian 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
No. If there is a god and he's the way Christians define him, he is definitely not just. What kind of a loving god would provide eternal torment for mere unbelief?
Reading the Old Testament you can clearly see what kind of a god this is. He's spiteful, jealous and warlike.
2007-10-23 09:24:37 · answer #1 · answered by Shawn B 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
This material world is compared as a prison. Those who are criminals, those who have revolted against God, they are within this material world.
While we are in this world there is no getting rid of suffering all-together, for, as the Vedic teachings recognize, this material world is by nature a place of suffering. Ultimately we are powerless in the midst of a vast array of natural forces. The hope, therefore, is to know and follow the will of the Supreme Lord, the master of nature.
Just like if you are in the prison house, there you cannot expect any comfort of life. That is not possible. It is meant for inflicting miseries upon you so that you can understand that you are criminal, you should not do like this and come here again. That is the process going on. God is giving us what we desire, and through our material existence, we meet with good and evil.
2007-10-23 17:16:34 · answer #2 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes i do believe that God is perfect Justice, His word is true, It may not seem that way at times, but in the end when everything is laid out we will understand. consider his commandments. Love your neighbors, Care for the least of these the orphans, the widows, be kind to the strangers in your land, all who where sold into bondage for what ever reason, must be released at the end of 7 years. Yes I think God is just.
2007-10-23 16:24:38 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes. I consider my God just. Justice is more than just an attribute when we are speaking of God in terms of the One who is almighty and created Heaven and Earth. Justice is an integral part of his pathos. It is balanced, though by another integral part of his pathos: Mercy. Justice, when not balanced by Mercy and used as an end in itself, becomes legalistic and seemingly brutal.
Imagine if I as a father were only just and not merciful. If my son hurt my daughter, I would dispense justice alone by hurting him. But when balanced with mercy, I council him on why it was wrong along with an appropriate disciplinary action. Also, without mercy I would punish him whether or not it was an accident; he should have been more careful. Without mercy, there is no discipline; only punishment.
The real answer to your question lies in questions: What do you mean by "God" and what do you mean by "just"? Whence do we obtain this idea of "justice"? Whence do we obtain the idea of "mercy"? Why do all peoples thirst for communion with the divine? Why do all peoples have ideas and ideals of justice and mercy? Without a Creator, we are not all equal. The man born stronger, richer, and cleverer than you has the right to dominate you however he wishes. This is "just" because he was born with more gifts; if you were meant not to be dominated, you should have been stronger, richer, and cleverer. This has been the rule in the past, and continues in parts of the world today. It is a form of justice, but not balanced by mercy. In the Bible, you will find dispensations of Justice balanced with dispensations of Mercy, more pure than any human could achieve, but strangely fitting with the ideas and ideals of what humans crave (I would venture to say "naturally", but that is my hypothesis).
*Note: Mercy dispensed without Justice is, well, unjust. God would just let everyone get away with everything. To use the first person example again, I would simply say, "Kids will be kids," when my son hurts my daughter. My attempts at discipline would be a farce, and his behavior would only worsen. Hence, the Psalmist writing in the 23rd Psalm "Your rod and your staff comfort me." We resent our parents for punishing us, saying, "It's not fair!" No matter how just and merciful our parents were, we all said it. We cry the same thing when we do not understand that what God is doing is for our own good and the good of the universe. Just as my children do not know better than I, I do not know better than God. I am comforted by his discipline, because it shows that he loves me.
EDIT: Shawn B, you have obviously not read the Old Testament. Please read the Book of Isaiah and the other prophetical literature. There you find a God who compares his love for humans to that of a mother for her child or a husband for his wife. On the point of "eternal torment", it would be disrespectful for God to force those who reject him to spend eternity with him. He loves and respects you enough to allow you to reject him. What value has love if it is forced? He leaves you free to choose eternity without him. The spiritual pain of eternity without God is compared to the physical pain of burning. To take this literally would put you on intellectual par with the fundies. You wouldn't want that, would you?
2007-10-23 16:48:28 · answer #4 · answered by Jonathan 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think God is just...
It may not seam just to a two year old to take away his toy because he snatched it from his little brother...but he is a child who does not realize why his parents are disciplining him. A two year old only knows he feels hurt and angry...
That's us at times.
God does things that go beyond our human understanding. We have to just trust him and accept things as children do with their parents.
2007-10-23 16:17:08 · answer #5 · answered by Xena77 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God is Just! by definition. That's part of Him. He makes the rules, He enforces the rules, and He does the disciplining. People have to understand its not what you consider but what God does.
2007-10-23 16:10:31 · answer #6 · answered by Zed 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
the fictional god of the OT I consider unjust.
In NUMEROUS instances he punishes later generations for the sins of their forebears and also slaughters babies by the thousands for the sins of their parents or forebears. Or for the secular rulers of their land (pharaoh)
2007-10-23 16:09:00 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
who made u and all those things around ! i think it is not found by it self , answer my question , there must be one God .
2007-10-23 16:16:17 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
i believe that he is, things do ultimately happen for a reason. even when sometimes seem unfair or confusing to us, in my faith i understand its all part of an ultimate plan that may out date my lifetime but serve some purpose for something greater.
2007-10-23 16:08:33 · answer #9 · answered by Anthony C 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋