If These Christians Defeat Gays Are Non-Christians Next?

Question

Let's say Christian funded organizations like Focus on the Family and Southern Baptist Convention win their multi-million dollar fight with gays to deny partner benefits for their partners and children, force them to retreat back into the closet and live like they did circa 1950s, unseen, unheard with no recourse for discrimination etc.

Who will these groups target next? Even though I am not gay but a straight married mother of three, it does concern me as a non-Christian.

Since they set a precident that if something is considered a sin to them it automatically means it has to be inforced as public policy for EVERYONE in America, doesn't that mean that ANYONE who does not fit into a lifestyle they believe to be biblical will be under attack?

How can freedom of religion exist in such a situation?

Answer 1

It can't.

Many people rationalize that our country was founded on Biblical principle and that it should remain that way.

I agree that our country was founded this way, as those who framed our founding documents were, in fact, of the Christian faith, thus, the Bible was their main roadmap to a pieceful country.

Of course, this is why the framers said "all men are created equal" and not "all people", and why black slaves, women and witches, were all considered as sub-male, therefor second class citizens.

The KKK uses contortions of the Bible to show it's way to be the true way, and our founding documents are drafted in the same way, as contortions of Biblical translation.

These folks who plan to use the Bible to rule the national morality are warped, not only in their translations of the Bible, but also in their ideas about how a country should run.

They want everyone to look the same, act the same, talk the same, and walk the same as they do. How boring would that be.

I don't mind if the leader of our nation is Christian, as long as he doesn't help pass law solely based on it's Biblical standing. Or at least, his interpretation of Biblical standing.

I have read your Bible, cover to cover, and I submit that no one is without sin. If you consider loving someone of the same sex as sin, that's fine, but apparently, sin is subject to human interpretation, rather than that of God's intent (in some of your eyes), and you feel a blatant need to try to convert the country to a Christian country.

The fact of the matter is that, if you don't believe in gay rights, that's fine, you don't have to. Don't get married to the same sex, it won't effect me... Don't be gay in the work place..

It's simple, I am not trying to force Christians (or anyone else for that matter), to become Gay, and I'll be damned if I let them force me to become Christian.

To the person below, speaking on homosexuality being taught in schools and so on.

I'm gay, but I say "DUH" if a school can't have a Bible in it's library, why would anyone agree to allow homosexuality as valid lifestyle to be taught. The place for sexual education and other moral issues is in the home with the parents, not with the schools. Schools are place to learn facts, math, history, reading, chemistry, biology, NOT sexuality.

Of course, to your belief that we should not be able to adopt I disagree. There are far more children waiting to be adopted in this country, than we have married couples wanting to adopt. Think about it. And, in the event that a couple does adopt, there is a 50% chance that the marriage will end in divorce, so the kid will be in a one parent household anyway.

And before anyone says "gay parents will change the kid to being gay"... I'm only going to say this once... My parents were straight.

A true story:::
I have a male friend who was married, had a kid, then for some reason the wife wanted a divorce. He got custody of his son. He is now living and loving a man for 15 years, and the son lived with them until he went off to collage. The son is happily married with a child, so obviously, this gay couple raised this boy to follow his heart and not his parent's lead.

Answer 2

I think that any situation can be construed like this. For instance, taking the pledge of allegiance out of school because it has the word God in it. How can atheist groups change what was written into history? I am a Christian and have several gay friends. I don't share their same ideas, but as a Christian and as a person, I try to love everyone the same. I think the people who make significant changes in everyone's lives don't think about the effect that the change will have on people. We as a society have become so inconsiderate of others, with the "me first" attitude. Sorry to say, but not everyone can be first and we need to start thinking about society as a whole, not as small little groups. We are supposed to be United, if we don't live that way, we are being hypocritical.

Answer 3

In the U.S. that phrase should be "freedom of religion- but only if you believe in OUR God". I'm a wiccan so I understand where you're coming from, I would hate for someone to attack me because of my religion, but someday, I'm sure that will happen. What a lot of people don't seem to realize though when they go on their christian rants (which I'm not saying that all christians have them) about our country being founded by christians, is that our country was founded by Masons. Look them up, they were not the best of people and I can tell you for a fact that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were Masons. Our current president is a Mason, as are several political leaders these days.

I'm a firm believer that everyone should be allowed to choose their own religion (or non at all), pray to whom they want to pray, and practice what you chose to practice, if anything. We all have our own opinions about other things, why not Gods and Goddesses as well?

As for now, I suppose we should just be happy that the christians have let us get away this long without going back to the times of burning and hanging for not believing in thier God.

Answer 4

Any time something like this is perpetrated on the rest of us, there is a risk. But history has shown that it usually doesn't last. Look at prohibition. After a while, everyone realized how ridiculous it was and repealed it. On the other hand, making drugs illegal has lasted, ineffective as it is, and there have been no additional consequences. I think we're safe, because there are a lot of Christians who don't feel their religion should be forced on anyone and won't go along with the vocal minority. And although the radicals may be able to delay full rights for gays, there's no way they'll ever force them back in the closet.

Answer 5

You are quite right to be worried. They are not going to give up and the more you understand about it the more you start to see it.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm

Those few articles merely outline the basics. They give some of the keywords that open up more research.
Some of the previous members of the Republican Party have written books outlining the strategies and the aims of the Religious Right Republicans that are quite frankly terrifying.
The RRR are not interested in Separation of Church and State, they openly condemn pluralism as ungodly.
Religious Freedom is something they intend to do away with completely. They will restrict and outlaw every religion except their own narrow Fundamentalist version of religion.

You are wrong about the 1950s date. They want 1750s when the Puritans hanged Quakers as Heretics.
Father Kennedy has declared several times that if they can they will make homosexuality a capital offence with a mandatory death sentence. It gets much worse the more you discover.
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Wow, after reading the other answers the fascism is so strong. It is like reading translations of German newspaer editorials from 1936. I am sorry to say that, because people think it is just a slur, but I have read them and I mean it quite honestly.
The phrase "One nation under God" was added to your pledge of allegiance in 1957, during the McCarthy era.
It replaced the simple "One nation undivided," a significant difference to my mind. The "In God We Trust" was added to your paper money at the same time. Your Govt has sites explaining this. Pledge is one site, the US treasury about the money.

Answer 6

Same sex marriage is an oxymoron. Throughout the entire history of humanity, there has been no such thing. Just because Christians rightly speak against changing the very nature of marriage, does not mean they hate gays. Love does not always mean you agree with whatever anyone happens to think up, especially if it is destructive to society.

Answer 7

Sometimes, letting go seems like the easiest thing to do. But think about this: you've invested so much of your time and energy into another person; you've made a solemn promise; and you still know there's love, even if it's hiding underneath the surface. This website will show you how to save a marriage and avoid divorce, even if you're the only one trying https://tr.im/46gML

Answer 8

Its called a democracy and since everyone obviously has a difference of opinion on the matter (nationwide) we should leave it up to individual sectors or cities to decide if they want to have same sex marriages THROUGH VOTING. And if you should find out you're in a city that just passed the vote for it and it makes you uncomfortable, you can always move to a straight city. The same goes for if the vote doesn't pass, if you want the same sex marriage, well ya better move to a town with enough gay voters to get your bill passed.

For the record I am a Christian and I would vote against same sex marriages, but I believe in true democracy, and this way of looking at it, in my humble opinion, is the most Democratic way.

Answer 9

Yes. The people of fear (not faith) have to have a common enemy. Since Bush has pretty much given up on his promises of outlawing abortion, they have to have a new hate to keep them organized. If they ever achieve anything at all it will only motivate them to continue their unholy crusade until all the "evils" of the world are conquered. Such as freedom, justice and liberty for anyone but them.

Answer 10

They are going to have a very rough time forcing me to live within their Biblical ideas. But, when it comes down to attacking Non-Christians, they will have to list what they consider Non-Christian.... And it's easy enough to get that started -

Atheists, Pagan, JW's, Scientology, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, For Southern Baptists - Catholics would be on that list as well.... That's a rather LARGE list of "Non-Christians" they will be fighting. No... they'll stick with the little groups such as the homosexuals because they wouldn't dare take on such a large group as "Non-Christian". =)