Okay so science proves God wrong, Im confused?

Question

Well I like your answers and you do make some valid points on my last question however. If science and religion are far apart and science is the only real substance in this universe then explain to me why Einstein and currently Stephen Hawking both believe in God?

Its hilarious to see you people mock the "brainwashed" religious people on here yet you're arrogance is laughable. So let me guess, you know more about science than both Einstein and Stephen Hawking? You're smarter than them?

So again, if religious people are so dumb and brainwashed, and you're so enlightened! Then how do you explain the fact the greatest science minds that ever lived aren't on your side?

Answer 1

I don't believe that anyone taking an unbiased look at science could say that science proves (by scientific standards) either the existence or the essence or nature of God. It does not uphold atheism. if one chooses to be an atheist one must find another reason besides science.

These days, many famous scientists are also strong proponents of atheism. However, in the past, and even today, many scientists believe that God exists and is responsible for what we see in nature. This is a small sampling of scientists who contributed to the development of modern science while believing in God. Although many people believe in a "God of the gaps", these scientists, and still others alive today, believe because of the evidence.

Famous Scientists Who Believed in God
Nicholas Copernicus
Sir Francis Bacon
Johannes Kepler
Galileo Galilei
Rene Descartes
Isaac Newton
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
Gregor Mendel
William Thomson Kelvin
Max Planck


No one, not even scientists who don't believe in God, such as Stephen Hawking, claims that the anthropic principle has to be the correct explanation. In fact, most would rather find a better one.
Albert Einstein never came to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe.

Answer 2

"Okay so science proves God wrong,"

No, science doesn't. You aren't paying attention.

"explain to me why Einstein and currently Stephen Hawking both believe in God? "

Einstein as it has been said, was at most a pantheist. Look that word up - you won't like what you find. And Hawkins by all accounts is an atheist. Also, the extreme majority of the nation's top scientists are either agnostic or atheist. If you want to play a numbers game, then you're the one who loses.

Answer 3

One: Einstein didn't believe in God in the way that you think. He was probably more a deist than anything else, but mainly his comments about "God" not "playing dice" with the universe were more a reflection of his belief in the sublime order in the universe--he later admitted that he was wrong when Heisenberg's uncertainty principle was proven correct to his satisfaction.

Two: Hawking has made statements eluding to aspects of the universe almost crying out for a creator. He isn't religious nor does he adhere to any dogma, nor does he include religion in his science. He just has this sort of 'feeling' that there's a higher force out there.

Agnostic skepticism and wonder at the universe does not equal religion.

Answer 4

Um...
Einstein did not believe in a personal God as this quotation will attest.
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954)

And here is a link to an article about Hawking's latest thoughts on the existence of God though the focus on the idea that God is not necessary, not that "He" doesn't exist.

And yes, the website is secular but the article itself was from a decent scientific journal.

Answer 5

I think you should look again at how they define their Gods.
Einstein was a deist at best. He believed in the God of Spinoza.
Don't bother praying to that God, he/it/whatever it might be, that impersonal God, set things moving and promptly ignored it all.
That God does not interfere in the laws of physics to create miracles of any kind.
The only other references that Einstein makes to God are idiomatic.
Hawking is another curious case, in his 1990 Sigma Club Seminar lecture on determinism he seems to indicate the same sort of God as Einstein, the non-personal and impersonal God of Spinoza.
So he is apparently a deist instead of a theist too.

You would find little sympathy from either of those men for your Christian God that you can pray too.

They would both qualify as atheists under any normal definition of that word.

Answer 6

Hawking, in writing about his cosmology (especially his view of a quantum wave function), claims this about the universe thus predicted:

there would be no singularities at which the laws of science broke down and no edge of space-time at which one would have to appeal to God or some new law to set the boundary conditions for space-time . . . The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE . . . What place, then, for a creator? ([9], pp. 136, 141)

Einstein:

From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being.

So, again, I see no substance in your claim.

Answer 7

I am a religious person but I also do believe in science.
Science proves the things around us although evolution is unclear to me since it does not start like religion that we came from dust? it is too weird but I do love God so I won't let these bs stuffs in the Bible affect my feelings for Him because a Bible is a book, like a normal book that can be edited and I don't even know who kept the original writings so how would I be sure that it is God and Jesus who taught us that.
Religion, i think is more of a story like the creation and blahblah while science is too advanced to be story- like.

Answer 8

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.

At a physicist's conference Hawking was attending after his book A Brief History of Time was published, a reporter approached him to ask if he did in fact believe in God, given the "mind of God" reference near the end of the book. Hawking responded quickly (suggesting his answer was pre-prepared) "I do not believe in a personal God."

I suggest you do further research on these two men before you reference what you "think" they believe.

Answer 9

I can't answer your question and I'm not trying to because I'm not one of them. I can't wait to see people's answer's though. You made a terrific point and a very valid question, it should be interesting to see how these one's try to validate their reasoning. I liked the way you asked it without getting into your specific religous beliefs and why your right and they're not. My favorite line was your arrogance is laughable, isn't that true. There's nothing more aggitating than listening to people who are so full of themselves and think they've got all the answers. It's the philosophical thinking of mankind that blinds them from the truth. Science is truly a great thing but it's not all accurate. Once someone discovers something that may be true and very valuable through scientific discovery all the sudden everything else they deduce must be right too, so they think. If it were all that easy would not there be far less problems in this world now?

Answer 10

Sir Issac Newton said he studied science in order to discover what God had created. And many of the early scientist were catholic monks. Science and the bible DO NOT disagree they really work together.

After all there is only one absolute truth as to how we did come into existence, the face that we exist proves this. If anyone were to look at it with an open mind, perhaps existence could make since.