How do trinitarians get around this?

Question

Jesus was begoten (John 3:16,18)(1 John 4:9)

Definition of begoten: VERB: A past participle of beget.
Beget To father; sire.
To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.
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The bible clearly states unequivocally that Jesus as begoten he was 'caused to exit'. The begoten Son of God.

Direct answers if you can please. Not run this around with spurious defence scriptures taken out of context.

typo caused to exit = caused to exist.

patrone what about....
Genesis 2:24
That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.

Are you saying Adam and Eve were two persons in one body?

travelling to Nineveh but Jesus as already there when man was going to be created. God was talking to Jesus about making man with their cardinal qualities. Angels too have those cardinal qualities.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation - Colossians 1:15

Answer 1

Asexual godly reproduction of course!

I think the trinity doctrine is false. It was borrowed from Pagan sources in around them to try and make the religion appealing to them.

Jesus was a man that was granted some divine power to do what he needed to do. Why else would Jesus pray to God and tell us to pray to God and not him?

Why else would Jesus said to not call him good but only call God good?

God, Jesus - they are one in purpose.

The holy spirit was given human attributes to make it easier for us to relate to, but it is the power of God, not a separate entity.

Weird doctrine.

Answer 2

Jesus, God's son was born of a man but pre existed in Heaven. Read John 1:1 and the rest or the text. Jesus became a man and therefore begotten of a women.

Answer 3

John 1 tells us that Jesus existed before creation with God. Verse 1 ff: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him; and without him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." Then, to show that prophecies about the Messiah had been fulfilled, John tells us about the coming of John the Baptist, the forerunner of the Messiah, who preached about Him. Verse 8: "He [John the Baptist] was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light." Now we go back to talking about the word, now identified as the Light. Verse 9: "That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto His own and His own received Him not. 12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He the power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believe on His name, 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (This word, "born," is the same word translated in John 3 as "begotten.") 14 And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth."

The word "begotten" is being used in a bit of a different way here, because there was no word sufficient to explain what happened. While Jesus did exist in His divine form before His birth into human form, God "begat" Him by being responsible for Him attaining a human form. Essentially, Jesus had to set aside His divine nature for a time and take on a form He had not previously had, thus coming to exist in a new form (that of a normal human being). God has done this for no other creature. When we, who are born again, accept Jesus, we are re-created into a new form that is after the spirit, not after the flesh. After He ascended Jesus reclaimed His divine nature and exists now in His true form.

Answer 4

Its easy once you know Greek. The word stressed the uniqueness of Jesus. Begotten is a fine translation, but it is equally fine to say, "the unique son". Most translations read, "the only begotten son" which stresses the uniqueness. I'm a Unitarian and I know this. It means unique.

Answer 5

Begotten is not the best translation of the orignal Greek.

Jesus was killed primarily because He claimed to be the Son of God. Blasphemy was punishable by death.

Since Jesus was who he said he was, as evidenced by His resurrection 3 days after death, it is not blasphemy.

Answer 6

Whats there to get around. Jesus is God in the flesh. The Holy Spirit passed over the Blessed Virgin , she became pregnant with Jesus, God in the flesh

Answer 7

Oh, I suppose that putting yourself into a virgin isn't weird enough for you?

If you accept the fact that God incarnated himself into a human form by impregnating a virgin with himself, the trinity should be no problem. I'm not really sure why trinitarians need to see them as three distinct personalities within one Godhead though... just say that Jesus is what happens when God allows himself to take human form.

Answer 8

How do you get around this?

26 Then God said: "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. ..."


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.

Answer 9

begotten means, only born or sole, in Greek monogenes is the word the Greeks used that the translater said was begotten

Answer 10

The trinity is many things....not just Father, Son & Holy spirit. Trinity is everywhere....look around: body, mind & spirit; id, ego & superego; conscious, subconsious, & superconscious; energy, matter & anti-matter.

Time is also divided by 3: past present & future.

Space is also divided by 3: here, there & space in between

There are also 3 energies: thought, word & action.

Hope that helps!
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