The choice has already been made, why does the irresponsible and guilty punish and kill the innocent?
2007-10-23 06:34:14 · 36 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I agree with you completely!
Of course there is going to be some jerk that brings up rape... but that is not a valid argument because even if you were pregnant because of rape...does that give you the right to murder? I don't care how the baby was conceived ...there is someone out there wishing they had a baby...crying their self to sleep every night wishing they had a baby....and yet some ignoramus is going to go kill the baby??!!!
I think the only way you should be able to kill your baby is by killing yourself!!!!!!!
2007-10-23 06:40:42 · answer #1 · answered by kim 4 · 5⤊ 13⤋
Yes women can be raped and end up pregnant. However, killing the child does not make what happened go away, they will have to live with what happened to them no matter what. Let the child live, raise it or put it up for adoption. There is no situation in which two wrongs make a right.
Accidents? If you got pregnant while under the influence of drugs/alcohol, that is certainly your own fault, we all know what getting high or drunk can do to you. The rape victim would be the only one without a choice, contraception is not 100%, that's a well known fact, you are taking the risk everytime you decide to have secual relations. Why should you kill someone else for your own choices?
2007-10-23 06:59:06 · answer #2 · answered by arderianwolf 2 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I`m not sure if you are suggesting that it is irresponsible to become pregnant or not? The question why do the irresponsible and guilty punish and kill the innocent? I take to rrefer to those who find themselves pregnant and then decide on termination. My personal view is that life is indeed sacred from begining and beyond and cannot be termanated by our will or deed, I feel that is called something else altogether. However I do know My heavenly father has taught me not to judge lest I be judged and his precious son did challenge let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Do I take it then that this judgement you proclaim on the irresponsible and guilty is but the stone that you cast? is it for you or I to judge the actions of all and ignore our own? Is it right to proclaim your brother or sister a sinner while we hide our own sins under our coats? should we not then ask our father for his mercy for all the deeds we need forgiveness for and should we not ask that this mercy be granted unto our brothers and sisters in christ? I do not agree with ABORTION that is I take what you are refering to but it is not for me to judge any one else I have not been given that privelidge, have you?
2007-10-23 23:16:34 · answer #3 · answered by finn mchuil 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Well, yes, avoiding unwanted pregnancy is better than abortion.
That's why everyone should fight for complete and accurate sex education for all, and for easy availability of birth control.
Ironically, those who oppose abortion are the very reason we don't have either of those things.
However, birth control does sometimes fail; thus, it wasn't always a "choice" to get pregnant. Also, pregnancy from rape was not the woman's choice.
Abortion isn't about punishment; it's about a woman deciding for herself whether to terminate a pregnancy -- however it happened.
Not all women with unwanted pregnancies are irresponsible or guilty of anything.
2007-10-23 07:22:14 · answer #4 · answered by tehabwa 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Most people mention rape or incest but I have another thought...
what about the person who does make a decision--but isn't capable of making it? A mentally handicapped person who has sex because it feels good but has no ability to take care of an infant.
What about physical deformities? A person who is so physically different that the body is not able to have children, without bringing about the death of the mother--and perhaps the child as well.
What about a choice of finances? A mother struggling, wanted to have one more child to see if it would be a girl, finds out she has a child with Down Syndrome or conjoined twins. For those screaming she could give that baby up for adoption, do some research on how often children with disabilities are adopted, then come back to me. Financially she just can't pay for the EXPENSIVE care of these children. She can't quit her job to be its mother either b/c she has other children, children that require food and medical care. Do you value the life of the one over the lives of the others, already living?
The pro-life argument gives no sympathy or concern for those other shoes. The person who didn't just wake up one morning and said "screw this I dont want a baby"--but the woman who spent every day agonizing this choice, but realizing that the harm done to her other children, her family, and the state when she must go on assisted help--her own lack of abilities to parent a child with disabilities. She weighs all options before picking a surgery thats right for her. And is judged by a plastic surgery obsessed culture who think its fine to have surgery if you need bigger boobs or be wrinkle free between your brows--but her surgery is frivolous and wasteful?
Then of course we go back to the logistics argument. There were abortions before it was legal. Making it illegal again won't stop it from happening. Just stop it from being medically supervised. Increase the number of back ally hackers, with little medical knowledge. Women all through history new which herbs in the garden, just a bit of pennyroyal, would bring on abortions. Making it illegal is a 100% of causing more deaths than the "innocents" pro-life thinks are being killed now.
Another valid point from my social worker best friend. She sees hundreds of kids each year being abused. If she could go back in time and save that child from that suffering, she would. If a mother is smart enough to know that when she is on drugs, she is no fit mother. If she wants to save that child from that life, why shouldn't she be allowed to make that choice? What is worse--a child who cannot yet breath or eat and knows nothing of life losing that which it doesn't know anything about, or a 5 yr old locked in an attic, with silent tears, wondering why no one wants her and waiting for the next beating or blessed death--whichever comes first? The pro-life argument would say each beating she endures is worth it because at least she's alive. I doubt she'd agree.
What about simple American principles? The land of the free. The reason most of us came here--to get away from the kings and dictators rule. Russians escaping communism for the freedom to make choices for your own family. Isn't that what we are all about? Pro-choice doesn't take that all away--it merely allows you to be pro-life, knowing that as a man you'll never have to walk a mile in those shoes. It's the choice of your religion, speech, mind and body. Why would we want to take all that away?
2007-10-23 07:03:28 · answer #5 · answered by phantom_of_valkyrie 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Because they don't value life or choose to be irresponsible for there bad choices..... or are nothing more then selfish people who choose to make thier problems go away rather then deal with what they have brought on them selves.... I have a cousin and she has to babys she had an aborition before the first one then had the second then had the third and has sense then had another abortion and is pregnant and is keping this one its like she picks and chooses when she feels like having a baby. It does not work like that! You pick and choose when to have sex and take responibility for your actions. Don't have sex if you dont want a baby. Or better yet try some kind of protection! If not all the scientific break throughs they have come up for people who can't keep it in their pants and should'nt be having sex in the first place try pulling out or swallowing or something! I think that is more dignified then killing a part of you!!! They will be judged one day, and their actions brought to light.
2007-10-23 06:47:01 · answer #6 · answered by Mary S 2 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Acciedents happen. The fact that we can help women in difficult situations makes us more civilised not less.
Stop trying to dictate what others must do with their bodies. The female body in particular. Deny the right to a safe clean and legal abortion and we return to backstreet abortion, where it is likely the woman will pick up infections or could even die. Or do you think she would deserve that?
What about rape victims being forced to carry the child of their attacker? Can you not see how soul-destroying this would be? And this could happen just as easily to a "good" Christian virgin girl as to any other.
You are irresponsible yourself if you would disregard the rights of a living human woman or girl over a foetus, which is incapable of living outside of the woman.
And dont say it says in the bible about this issue because abortion is mentioned no where in that book. You are guessing what you think it should say.
2007-10-23 06:45:51 · answer #7 · answered by munchkin 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Ask the Christians or extremist Muslims. Their religions have punished and killed the innocent for centuries.
Sometimes, you do not have a choice in whether or not you become pregnant. The choice is made for you. In those instances is it really better to have a child that will be hated and emotionally tortured for their entire lives? If you answer yes to that question, then you are a very twisted individual.
2007-10-23 06:42:22 · answer #8 · answered by tremonster 4 · 2⤊ 4⤋
Umm.....so in cases of rape and abuse....its a choice? I wouldn't call a rape victim the guilty irresponsible one. Pregnancy is not always an "option". And, if you wish to truly explore the issue, at what point does the foetus become a person, as opposed to a bundle of stem cells and linear potential?
I'm not trying to stir here, just pointing out that the whole issue of what constitutes an independent human life is extremely hazy
2007-10-23 06:41:14 · answer #9 · answered by Rafael 4 · 6⤊ 2⤋
Didn't I see you in a crowd of people protesting against plans to hand out contraception to girls of the very age where unwanted pregnancies are most damaging? Contraception that would indeed give those girls a choice about whether or not to become pregnant?
No? Must have been two other people.
So you're saying that falling victim to seduction, rape or curiosity is sin enough to force someone to ruin their lives forever as a punishment. You must be religious.
For those of us in the real world, medical science has provided option that avoid such tragedies turning into disasters.
CD
2007-10-23 06:44:04 · answer #10 · answered by Super Atheist 7 · 6⤊ 3⤋
Yes, the real choice is whether or not to conceive.
Some will point out rape--the mother didn't have a say in the matter, but the child is no less human and should not be killed for what his father did.
2007-10-23 06:47:47 · answer #11 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋