pure bred mixed breed that is the question?

Question

You all are so down on mixed breds and i just saw a question asked is a golden a mixed breed was funny to see so many say NO NO NO .. Well you all do NOT know your dogs then EVERY SINGLE DOG WAS A MIX OF SOME SORT
Here is my question you love your dog so much can you tell me what breeds of dog it took to make it????
mine is ......
The Bichons are descended from the ancient ancestors of the Poodle, the Barbet, a water spaniel.
And I know that 2 mixed breeds dogs are now on the tables for AKC to become recognized as a pure bred dog So even though you do not like the new mixed dogs they are here to stay .So stop trying to shove your mixed breed mutt crap down anyones throat who breeds!! And learn The difference between a hybrid dog and a mutt. A mutt is of uncertain ancestry.And the hybrid dog is documented purebred ancestry

St. Bernard are the herding dogs of Swiss farmers like the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, as well as hunting dogs and watchdogs. Their history has also been connected with the hospice at the Great St. Bernard Pass. First reports of the dogs' presence at the pass date to the 17th century, and they remained loyal companions to the monks there

We would not have the pure bed dogs of today if not for the mixed breeding of years ago !!!

The Samoyed Recent DNA analysis of the breed has led to the Samoyed being included amongst the fourteen most ancient dog breeds [1], along with Siberian Huskies, Alaskan Malamutes, the Chow Chow, and 10 others of a diverse geographic background.The first Samoyed was brought to United States by fur traders in 1906. The Samoyeds have been bred and trained for at least 3,000 years.

The dog is a domestic subspecies of the wolf Some research appears to show that dogs were domesticated from wolves as recently as 15,000 years ago,[2] or perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago based upon recent genetic, fossil and DNA evidence.[3] Other research suggests that dogs have only been domesticated for a much shorter amount of time and were domesticated from populations of wild dogs, which had previously diverged from wolves.[4][5]

New evidence suggests that dogs were first domesticated in East Asia, possibly China,[6] and the first peoples to enter North America took dogs with them from Asia. Genetic research has identified 14 ancient dog breeds, with the oldest being the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu and Basenji. Because many of the 14 breeds are associated with China and Japan, the theory that the dog originated in Asia seems to be likely.

And the question was for you to tell me your dogs history not ask me =-)

I did this to try and show people that the pure bred dog of today came from breeding of two or more and show them what breeds of dogs it took to make the dog they have =-)

The first meaning is the result of interbreeding between two animals or plants of different taxa. Hybrids between different species within the same genus are sometimes known as interspecific hybrids or crosses. Hybrids between different sub-species within a species are known as intra-specific hybrids. Hybrids between different genera are sometimes known as intergeneric hybrids. Extremely rare interfamilial hybrids have been known to occur (such as the guineafowl hybrids).

Thank You ahhjeepjeep 10 points !! and to the rudes ones BLOCKED!!!

Answer 1

First I would like to say that I agree with what you have to say. People should not be so quick to jump the gun on those who wish to invest their life with a mixed breed dog. I don't think the pounds are full of dogs that people paid $500-$1,000 for. Rather, they are full of "free to a good home" dogs who are being given away outside local businesses on a Saturday afternoon. The problem becomes greater because those who could not afford to buy a dog probably can't afford to neuter/spay a dog either. Then in 7 months you see them outside the same local business with a sign "free to a good home".

I also don't believe people who are buying a mixed breed are buying "breeding stock". The purebred dogs are what drive the breeding stock. If this were not true, then we could care less about champion lines and paperwork to prove how special your dog is. When you buy a mixed dog, no matter what cute name they call it, you don't get papers. That means we probably have less interest in breeding.

I also find it funny how many people say "if you want a mixed breed, rescue one, the pounds are full of them". I don't want a dog that a Vet must give their best guess as to what the parents were, the home it came from, if it was abused, and even the age. You can pretend that Vets know everything and can ID all dogs, but this is just not real. I am not knocking Vets as I have several friends who are, but I can assure you that they don't study dog guessing in school.

The great thing about mixed breeds is that you have a little more ability to get the dog you want. If I have two breeds I like equally, I am pretty sure I will get a dog I like despite what genes are more dominant. Yes, there could be issues in mixing two breeds. However, you have the same risks in breeding two pure breeds as well. The genetics don't change depending on who they mate with. If a dog has bad genetics and if the bad gene is the dominate gene, they will pass down no matter what. We don't have children with congenital defects because their parents were mixed breeds.

I did not know the controversy was so intense on this small issue. I can remember a time when people were not supposed to "mix breed" either. It was accused that children who are of mixed backgrounds would have more genetic problems. Theories such as this have not ever been supported. I am one that says who cares how much I spend on a dog or where I get it. If I am willing to put out $1,000 on a dog it does not matter who I buy it from or what the dogs paper say. By purchasing a dog I am still encouraging breeding and not rescuing a dog. I think the debate should be "buying vs. adopting".

One last comment. The Doberman was a great example how quickly a breed can be formed. I even looked up some information online to verify the story. In your own dog's history, a single man wanted what he called a perfect dog. That means in his short lifetime the breed was created. This is really not rocket science we are talking about. Mister Doberman proved that.

Everyone is looking for their "perfect" dog. What I find to be perfect doesn't mean it is going to the pound.

In response to people's ethics years ago, you must be joking. Money has been driving societies as far back as we can trace. I don't think the money people made while developing a dog that was easier on allergies for blind people was "unethical". I also would not think they were "uneducated" either. Ethics and morals only go as far as your religious beliefs will let you go. Some would say that many of the answers given are unethical.

It is also very humorous that you want me to adopt a dog, save a life, and be a kind person. Yet everyone slams the word "mutt" as if it is a bad thing. Wasn't that what you told me to adopt?

Finally, I don't think they were DNA testing 1,000 years ago. Ask your vet how easy it is to DNA test differences between breeds. I bet they won't be able to do it. Yes, you can find individual differences between dogs, but to say is this code for Poodle and is this for Lab, it is probably not known. Again, DNA is not what they study in school, nor does any breeder.

Answer 2

When people have pet quality pure bred dogs, there is a reason they are pet quality. They do not meet the standard in some way so they cannot be shown and there for should not be bred. They cannot better the breed by reproducing so they should not. How many people have bred their cute little dog because all their friends said "I want one just like it" only to find when the puppies come suddenly everyone is too busy for a puppy or already has a dog or they live in places where they can't have dogs? Too many to count. A vet check before breeding means almost nothing. The vet cannot grade hips, elbows, eyes, patellas, etc. The vet cannot check the dog's genes to see if it might be a carrier of some pretty horrible genetic conditions. A vet cannot tell you if the two dogs involved will produce healthy puppies or health nightmares; only proper testing and knowing the pedigrees involved can. This is where the expense of pure bred dogs comes from. These breeders do test after test to make sure their dogs are genetically sound. They enter show after show to test their dog's physical type and soundness. Then, they pay stud fees and for more tests to make sure both dogs are healthy enough to breed at that time. Then they pay to feed the mother, take her to the vet to see if the pregnancy took, take her to the vet to get a count on the puppies and make sure there are no problems. Once the puppies arrive they vaccinate, worm and care for them for at least 8 weeks until they are ready for their new homes and vice versa. These things are not cheap, and while GOOD breeders are not trying to make a profit, they have to recoup some of the cost of breeding to avoid going bankrupt. If the cost is preventing you getting the dog you want, talk to a breeder, most will allow payments if it means the dog is getting the best possible home. If everyone bought dogs from responsible breeders, there would be no dogs in shelters.

Answer 3

Hybrid mutts are not breeds. The only reason they are being bred is for the almighty buck. The established dog breeds all had a purpose when bred, many of them being used to work along side the family. Some were bred to run, others to clean the rats out of the house. Labradoodles were bred to make someone lots of money. The other hybrids also have no sensible foundation for breeding. Their breeders can't even make two pups in the same litter look alike enough to call it a breed.
You have obviously not done any or near enough research to make your claims convincing, and you are now having a tantrum because people do not agree with you.
If you were naive enough to spend alot of money on one of these mutts, I hope you will come to your senses and not do it again. If you are breeding these dogs for money, I hope poetic justice bites you in the a**.

And just so you know, I am not a breeder of anything, and am a rescuer of mutts and purebreds. I think it is disgusting to be breeding mutts for money when so many dogs are dying daily. And so would you if you had a heart and a conscience.

Answer 4

Until your little mix has been bred for 3000 years, develops a breed standard, and is accepted by the AKC, or CKC, it's just a mutt- no matter how you slice it.

Why give something a cutsie wootsie name and essentially deceive people? I don't introduce people to my three dogs and say - here's my labrasheprausky, and here's my pitadors. I say, yep - here be my mutts - in alllll their glory. It's not demeaning - I have some pretty dam nice looking mutts. But I don't pretend they are something that they aren't. That's what's wrong with people today. You dress up a mutt and give it a nice cutsie name and then when the son or daughter develops allergies to the "allergen free" hybrid, lawsuits and death threats result. You dress up a soyburger and call it a hamburger and your restaurant gets sued. You get a job which you aren't qualified for because you made stuff up on your resume and you get fired.

Call a spade a spade. Stop giving mutts and mixes fancy names. It's not that there is something specifically wrong with them - only the fact that you don't get consistency when breeding, there's no standard, they may or may not have more health problems (depends on the genetics, which mixed breeders don't screen for because they think mixes are healthier), and anyone in their brother who knows nothing about breeding is making them. Yea - nothing wrong with that picture at all.

Will it make be stop rescuing mutts from my shelter or rescue when I need dogs? No - but I am simply cleaning up behind those that are irresponsible dog owners or breeders.

So please stop saying that we hate mixes or mutts. We don't - we hate the greed and lies that are driving this new "breeding" program.

Answer 5

You are right but the key word is WAS a mix.
As many others have pointed out, there were goals and standards and working traits, that the founders of the breeds were trying to achieve, obviously they met with success.

Breeding to create a new breed was not done just to make a quick buck and supply the unknowledgeable with cute little pets, as it is in the majority of cases of designer dog breeders.

Why block all the people that do not agree with you? A difference of opinions does not make others rude. It is rude and childish to block people because you do not agree with them. If you think that blocking people will change their minds, you are very wrong and quite honestly, the majority of people believe that creating designer dogs are wrong and just because you block some of the people whose ideas conflict with your own, does not mean you can block that opinion from people's minds.

Answer 6

of course all dogs at one point were mixes, and it took a quite a few generation to get the "blend" right and quite a few more years for the dog to be recognized as one breed and have specific set of standards. at that point its not considered a mixed breed anymore. after all to get an offspring you breed two dog of the same breed, so there is no more mix.

dobermann came out of Germany around 1890, was developed for protection of a tax collector (last name Dobermann)

The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds of dogs that had the characteristics that Dobermann was looking for, including the Pinscher, the Beauceron, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Shepherd Dog, the black Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, the Manchester Terrier and the German Shepherd Dog. The exact ratios of mixing, and even the exact breeds that were used, remains uncertain to this day, although many experts believe that the Doberman Pinscher is a combination of at least four of these breeds.

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small clarification,
most breeds were developed for a specific purpose (guard, protection, herding, hunting etc) and they were bred with certain breeds to try to obtain the quality the breeds possessed and put that into one. The purpose was never (lets make a cute breed and make lots of money of it)

Answer 7

Only petty losers with no mental capacity blocks everyone she doesn't agree with. Kinda proves everyone's point when you are so obviously unbalanced in a public forum. Please go get help. There are medications to combat paranoid psychosis these days you know. All the people you probably blocked are right. The differences between creating a "new breed" and being a BYB or puppymiller of mutts is responsible practices.

Love Bertha

Answer 8

The difference is that purebreds have been derived over many generations to the extent that when they breed, they breed true to type (usually called the breed standard). A mixed breed won't do this. It is possible to develop a new breed, but it takes many many generations of careful selective breeding to get to the point that they breed consistent to type. Goldens breed true to type, but a Goldendoodle won't. That's the difference.

As far as pets go, mixed breeds and purebred are both great in my book. People should just not be breeding mixed breeds, charge tons of money and claiming they are creating "designer dogs" or a new breed when in fact they have no idea what they are doing (except trying to make money).

Answer 9

OH BROTHER.. NOT AGAIN..NO one is against your little mutt dogs.. People are against those fools that breed mutts on purpose.. Without regard to anything but all the cash they are going to make.

This isn't rocket science.. I don't know why people like you have such a hard time understanding..

YES, dogs were originally mixed breeds in many cases.. Some breeds are far older than others.. BUT you know the difference.. In the beginning, in the olden days... People had ETHICS.. They figured out what they wanted in a dog, they mixed and created til they were breeding consistency. Then they wrote a standard.. Then they approached the kennel club and applied to make their creation and accepted breed.. They jumped thru the hops, they started their breed clubs, they had people who were doing all the right things to create this breed.. They kept track, they did it all....

Today, there isn't anyone who is doing this.. People come along with their foolish little ideas, breed fluffy to ugly and have a litter.. They have no idea what they are doing, they aren't breeding for a dog that can actually do anything. They aren't breeding for consistency.. They couldn't have a standard if they tried cause each of their little mutts are entirely different from one another..

YES breeds started out mixed, but Ethical people actually did something with it, went the distance, lived the life they needed to live to produce their own breed.. You mutt breeders now a days aren't doing any of that.. If you want to pretend your little mutts are a real breed, then breed dogs with consistency, write a standard, make yourself a breed club and apply to the AKC to make them a little breed of their own.. If you are not going to do it the right way, then don't bother producing mutts on purpose.. You are only doing enough to make money, you aren't doing enough to make a real breed.. Understand now??

Answer 10

I love designer/hybrid dogs. I can sell them and make a bunch of money by breeding 2 poor quality purebreds who were on limited registrations.

I have no interest in what dogs created the breeds that comprise my stock and I have even less interest in concerning myself about creating a new breed.

My interest lies simply with having my cute little dogs produce cute little puppies that I can sell to people who will love them. I love my dogs, I take great care of them, they are stock and to do otherwise would be a waste of the money I spent on them.

It makes me laugh when people call the puppies I produce mutts, because they are right! And I'm laughing all the way to the bank with my designer/hybrid dog money.

Answer 11

Honey, your brave. I asked a ? a few days ago that was sort of similar to this. I basically asked if a reputable breeder had a momentary brain laps and bred two dogs together and produced a spectacular dog ( then I changed it to breed) would you be still opposed to this. Something along those lines. It purely was a hypothetical /tongue in cheek queston. And I truly was curious to see how people really felt. Silly me!!! I got slammed big time. Only until I pointed out that I did in deed post it as a hypothetical and I didn't appreciate being attacked did the answers mellow. One poor guy stuck his neck out and basically said what you did. And that was my whole reason for the ? is because I do believe that most dogs were created this way. Any hoo I checked on wikapedia and I found this: I hope it helps. Check out the second paragraph.



Designer dogs

Some dog hybrids are now being selectively bred. The term designer dogs is often used to refer to these crosses. The practice causes much controversy; opponents cite the often exorbitant prices charged for what is essentially a mutt.

Whilst the trend to produce hybrid or designer dogs is considered new it is, in fact, a continuation of the centuries-old practice of selective breeding. All dog breeds were created for a particular purpose, usually some form of hunting, herding, or guarding. These tasks have been largely replaced by the need to produce healthy dogs with good temperaments as domestic companions or pets.

Proponents point out that there are bona fide reasons for the breeding of some specific crosses (the Labradoodle, for example, was first bred as a guide dog for visually impaired people with allergies), and also that the available research shows that crossbreds on average live longer and healthier lives (see mixed breed dogs and heterosis/hybrid vigor).

In some dog sports, particularly flyball, hybrids have become very popular. For example, the Borderjack (Border Collie/Jack Russell Terrier) is desirable because it retains the small size of the Jack Russell but has the athletic ability and trainability of the Border Collie. The Borderstaffy (Border Collie/Staffordshire Bull Terrier) is prized because it has the speed of a Border Collie and the strength of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

Found this on Wikapedia as well.................... Funny same thing you said. HUMMMMM wonder whose right????? :)
History

The ancestors of the St. Bernard are the herding dogs of Swiss farmers like the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, as well as hunting dogs and watchdogs. Their history has also been connected with the hospice at the Great St. Bernard Pass. First reports of the dogs' presence at the pass date to the 17th century, and they remained loyal companions to the monks there.