Christians: What evidences or examples of order in nature, that suggest creation?

Question

Please make the list as long as you can! Thank you for your participation!

Example: Earth's location: If it were a few miles closer or further from the sun, we would burn or freeze!

Eleventy- I'm not suggesting proof that because the earth is in the right location to sustain life, and the fact that it rotates around the sun in a perfect circle to keep from getting too much farther or closer, is proof of creation...I'm suggesting it as evidence of creation. I do not take out that possibility. Otherwise I would assume creation as fact and not my belief.

haysoos- If we could hypothetically switch mars and earth, so that earth were the same distance from the earth as mars is right now and vise-virsa, do you think in 10,000 years Earth and Mars would remain the same? No, because their relative distance from the sun created different environments.

Joe, you say: "We evolved to fit our circumstances, not the other way around."

Is it logical and rational thinking to then ask, how did this principal/law of evolution come about? Who created the process of this complex system of evolution? I believe God created us to evolve within our own species. The Bible does not contradict this believe either. However, I cannot believe we evolved from fish, or algae, or nothing as atheism suggests.

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Simply because there is no evidence available to prove we not only came from nothing, but that we evolved from nothing.

aisha: Let's not, because my question doesn't suggest anything concerning religion.

BTW: How many people in the world refrain from doing harm in order to obey and please God.....

Fireball, thanks, so far your the only one I see that has actually made a list of things. However, please specify why you believe these are evidences. For instance, I believe a banana was created because it has indents in relation to the indents of our fingers. This suggest that God created bananas to be shaped like this so that we can grip them better.

Microlin - I completely disagree with that. We must use reason to open our hearts to the truth.

Theophilus, those are some great points you make.

haysoos - Before I defend other points to your edits, this caught my eye, and I'd like to start with this one first...you said, "However, there's certainly no evidence at all that there was any god involved in the process at all."

I think you mistake evidence for proof. I agree, that we cannot prove this. However, if we take every point that theophilus has made, it is at least evidence of creation, if you disagree with this, please explain why so that I may learn more about the processes in which you think. Thank you.

heysoos: You said, ..."and adaptive radiation would cause new species to develop, ones that are well adapted to cold conditions."

This is actually your belief, in which you would be able to find no evidence for. Consider whether or not new species would actually micro-evolve from one another, we would not even be able to find a shread of reasonable evidence to reasonably belief micro-evolution is plausable. Unless you can give me evidence/a reason, to believe in your belief. The notion of micro-evolution will have to be dismissed reasonably.

heysoos: I'd also like to touch on this a bit...you said, "...and considerable evidence that indicates that it absolutely did not happen the way it says in Genesis."

Please give me this considerable evidence that it absolutely did not happen this way according the the Bible.

And what do you say about the considerable evidence from genetics, comparative anatomy and paleontology that show a continuum of forms with minor changes from fish to amphibians to reptiles to mammals, and similar sequences which show the origins of the characters that distinguish primates, followed by monkeys, by apes, by hominids, and finally by humans? You don't 'believe' this evidence simply because you find it unbelievable?

I agree, I believe there evidence of micro-evolution when you look at the relationship between apes and humans. We both share this concept. But I can defend against this in two ways. (1) Look at all of the species on earth, perhaps hundreds of thousands in not millions, I'm really not sure, but there's alot. What are the chances that nothing in the world could be closely related to us humans? The answer is 1 in a lot. If you look at it this way, the evidence seems to dwindle. But also, (2) If micro-evolution were true, how did it start? From algea, worms?

Tim and cmw: Thank you for those evidences.

haysoos: To answer your question: "As for 'evolution within a species' - what does that even mean?"

It means we evolved as humans, we become more intelligent and gain a better understanding of life than previous generations. For instance there were no cars a thousand years ago. So our system of transportation has evolved.

Nick D - I can answer your claim that you believe I am closed minded and contradictory.

You claim that because I said: "I'm suggesting it as evidence of creation. I do not take out that possibility."

and then said

"However, I cannot believe we evolved from fish, or algae, or nothing as atheism suggests."

that I am contradictory. However, this is false because I used the first statement in the context of the first argument. Not the argument of micro-evolution, but the arguement of the evidence of the earth's location. I hope this is clear to you.

This would also prove that your belief that I am closed minded is false.

Nick D: You asked, "If you "cannot believe" something, why are you discussing it?

I am discussing it not in the hopes that I may find truth in the opposition, however possible that may be, but that I may help others to understand the theist's point of view, more clearly.

SisterCF: Thanks for your input, you've explained some reasonable evidence for creation.

cmw: Thank you for the website, that is very very interesting. If anyone can refute any of these 47 evidences, please let me know.

I will refer back to this question later in hopes people still have questions they would like me to respond to. Thank you all for your participation.

Answer 1

I can provide you with a list of 47 written up into a handy chart by Dr. Hugh Ross, PhD in Astronomy (link below).

A couple of examples:

Decay rate of the proton. If greater, life would be exterminated by the release of radiation. If smaller, insufficient matter in the universe for life.

Solar luminosity. If it increases too soon, runaway greenhouse effect. If it increases too late, frozen oceans.

Please read the whole list. It's fascinating. If I typed them all out, the length would make everybody nuts. Basically, there are so many conditions that had to be just so, all in the same tiny fraction of a split second, or the whole thing is off, that the mathematics against there being no architect are staggering.

[Thank you]

Answer 2

Much of science has been in error. The Universe can be understood to be the product of a single thought - the perfect thought (Gospel of truth). This thought forms a compliment and with the perfect thought and its compliment all the laws of the Universe are formed. Such a thought defines mass, the fine structure constant, particle-wave duality, the structure of the Universe, the laws of Diffusion, quantum mechanics, gravity, and the mechanisms of thought processes..... John called the perfect thought -Logos. It is also in Genesis. The Logos connects all things and physical beings. Any argument that cannot be connected to the Logos cannot be proclaimed a truth - science is farthest from the truth, as scientific theories are disjointed and a hodgepodge of fictitious ramblings. The Logos contains a sufficient definition for everything, including fallacies in our thought processes such as those that exist in science. The foundations of the Logos has been revealed, not from science but arrived at from transcendental experience. Because the Logos exists and was arrived at transcendentally one understands that the Universe was created by the perfect thought by God. If the development of the mathematics of the Logos were to appear in the scientific literature, and there was full disclosure of the discovery process, the reference section would have only one entry: God. Since it is a intensely personal experience and there are no verifiable records of exchange/communication, other that what is in one's memory, it is unscientific and unpublishable. Removing the God reference would be a abomination, as no human being could ever accomplish such a feat of understanding without divine intervention. So science goes merrily along. God has a well developed sense of humour.
The Dunce

Answer 3

People have found woolly mammoths with the contents of their stomachs preserved undigested.

How could a mammoth freeze fast enough to stop its stomach from digesting its food? Even at -100F the stomach would digest the food and begin to rot!

The Bible tells us that during the 6 days of creation, God separated the water above from the water beneath. In other words God created an ice water canopy over our atmosphere (and from air samples in amber we know that the air pressure and oxygen levels are about twice what we have today, plus it would keep out harmful rays from the sun. All this is like living in a hyperbolic chamber - very healthy. And that is why the Bible reports that people lived to be over 900 years old).

At the time of the flood this ice canopy collapsed and collected around the earth's magnetic poles (the ice would have been about -300F, and at that temperature it has a magnetic property. That is why the "ice age" is centered around the magnetic poles and not the axis). This super cold ice could freeze a mammoth fast enough to keep the contents in its stomach from digesting.

Answer 4

How about the complexity of the human organs? The Eyes, the brain, the heart itself. It's staggering to think about the human body and how at conception it is one cell and nine months later it is billions of cells. And each one where it's supposed to be.
Darwin acknowledged this as a problem. For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eye . . . could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
Fossils - Millions of bones and other evidence of past life have been unearthed by scientists, and these are called fossils. If evolution were a fact, surely in all of this there should be ample evidence of one kind of living thing evolving into another kind. But Darwin “was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn’t look the way he predicted it would . . . the geologic record did not then and still does not yield a finely graduated chain of slow and progressive evolution.”
Francis Hitching observed: “In three crucial areas where [the modern evolution theory] can be tested, it has failed: The fossil record reveals a pattern of evolutionary leaps rather than gradual change. Genes are a powerful stabilizing mechanism whose main function is to prevent new forms evolving. Random step-by-step mutations at the molecular level cannot explain the organized and growing complexity of life."
Our Universe is organized - If our universe was created by the Big Bang, it would not have been organized. A mere “explosion” could not create our awesome universe with its amazing order, design and law. Although we personally were not on hand when the universe was constructed, it is evident that it had to have a Master Builder, as the Bible reasons: “Every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.”—Hebrews 3:4.
Evidence of Design - Evidence of design surrounds us, in endless variety and amazing intricacy, indicating a superior intelligence. For example, the Dutchman’s-pipe cannot pollinate itself but needs insects to bring in pollen from another flower. The plant has a tubular leaf that envelops its flower, and this leaf is coated with wax. Insects, attracted by the smell of the flower, land on the leaf and plunge down the slippery slide to a chamber at the bottom. There, ripe stigmas receive the pollen that the insects brought in, and pollination takes place. But for three more days the insects are trapped there by hairs and the waxed sides. After that, the flower’s own pollen ripens and dusts the insects. Only then do the hairs wilt, and the waxed slide bends over until it is level. The insects walk out and, with their new supply of pollen, fly to another Dutchman’s-pipe to pollinate it. The insects do not mind their three-day visit, since they feast on nectar stored there for them. Did all of this happen by chance? Or did it happen by intelligent design? Think about it.

Answer 5

On this topic astrophysicist George Greenstein wrote:

"There are three quite separate structures in this story-helium, beryllium, and carbon-and two quite separate resonances. It is hard to see why these nuclei should work together so smoothly…Other nuclear reactions do not proceed by such a remarkable chain of lucky breaks…It is like discovering deep and complex resonances between a car, a bicycle, and a truck. Why should such disparate
structures mesh together so perfectly? Upon this our existence, and that of every life form in the universe, depends." The Symbiotic Universe, p. 43-44

“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?” -George Greenstein

"The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation...His religious feeling takes the form of rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals the intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. - Albert Einstein (theoretical physicist)

Answer 6

Your example was my first one.

The same holds true for the tilt of the axis of earth. A few degrees less or more would make life impossible.

Man breathes in oxygen and breathes out co2.
Plants breath in co2 and breathes out oxygen.

Try the complexity of the human body. How each part of the body is there to serve the other parts. Look at the heart, lungs, arteries, kidneys, liver, brain, etc. If one of this parts fail a little it causes a lot of problems for the body as a whole.

grace2u

Answer 7

Wow, great example. Good thing I wasn't born on Uranus.

OK, kidding aside. I believe some good arguments/counter arguments have been made. I also think you showed your true colors with a couple of seemingly contradictory statements.
"I'm suggesting it as evidence of creation. I do not take out that possibility."
"However, I cannot believe we evolved from fish, or algae, or nothing as atheism suggests."

If you "cannot believe" something, why are you discussing it? Your mind is made up and set in stone.

Answer 8

You can make your list as long as you like and it will not change the mind of anyone who does not believe in creation. You can provide all the proof that you feel supports creation and it won't change a thing. Even if you changed their mind what would it profit them. It's not creation, evolution, or any other belief, theory, science, etc. that will damn man. I also realize that we as christians can not change peoples hearts. We may influence the mind but only God can change the heart. I suggest that we quit thinking that we as christians are somebody. I t is the Holy Spirit better known as the comforter that uses us to accomplish these things

Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Answer 9

Earth's location: if it were closer or farther away, life wouldn't have evolved to the point where people could imagine a designer where there isn't any.

Answer 10

How about the order of creation in Genesis... Gen 1... god creates plants BEFORE the sun. (retarded)
Gen 1... god creates animals, then man and woman.
Gen 2... god creates man, animals, then woman. (contradiction).
Creationism is crap science.
We evolved to fit our circumstances, not the other way around.